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My previous experience with Windows (~3 years ago) was that every single update took ~2 hours to complete, and they were asking to update weekly. I used to gam

by ar_lan 4y ago

My previous experience with Windows (~3 years ago) was that every single update took ~2 hours to complete, and they were asking to update weekly. I used to game weekly with my friends, and because of the above problem, I would have to turn on my computer the night before and start the update so I would be able to reliably play a game the following day - otherwise, there was an extremely good chance that they would start gaming at 8pm and I wouldn't be able to join until roughly 10pm due to the Windows updates. At the time, this was Windows 10. I eventually just switch to an old Xbox (ironically, still Microsoft), which was far more reliable (although XBox updates take forever too), because we could cross-play Apex Legends. But that is an 8 year old XBox One and it finally has crapped out on me. I'm currently finishing up getting parts for a new PC build, which will have Windows 11, and I really dread it. I wish Apex was for Linux because I just want to have a Linux-based gaming environment. -- Anyway - all this to say... macOS major updates might be slow, but they happen so infrequently, that it's not nearly a big deal. Minor security patches are almost never that slow for me, especially compared to Windows.

ryan-allen 4y ago
Did you have an SSD on your PC ~3 years ago? I never found it to be that bad or for it to take that long! I kicked off the Ventura update today on the M1 Pro, went out to get lunch, it had finished by the time I got back. I've been on the 'insider preview' track on Windows 10 and 11 for around 18 months. You get big updates maybe 2-4 times per month and they do take around 20 minutes to install. Stick on the regular updates track, make sure you get an SSD, and your new Windows 11 experience will be fine just fine :) Check out WSL too, it is pretty good. I'm split on Linux vs Windows vs MacOS for development, it's all a game of tradeoffs. The trick is to have a few computers!
Scharkenberg 4y ago
> My previous experience with Windows (~3 years ago) was that every single update took ~2 hours to complete, and they were asking to update weekly. Unless you manually seek preview updates, Windows gets updates once per month, on Patch Tuesday (a twenty-year tradition now). Two hours for "every single update" sounds implausible for Windows 10 because Microsoft has implemented changes to minimize the "offline phase" of the updates to mere minutes - even on HDDs. Which brings to my last point. If updates were taking long, then your OS was most certainly installed on a HDD. Everyone knows HDDs are slow as hell. Seriously, what was the point of replying with complaints about Windows on slow hardware and comparing it to mac OS on fast hardware? It almost feels dishonest. And for the record, Ventura is installing on the Mac as I type this on my Windows machine. The 22H2 update for Windows 11 had an offline phase of under 10 minutes and I have a non-NMVe SSD here. The Mac has already been down for about 15 and it's not even done yet.
- tekknik 4y ago
  If you don’t use windows for your daily driver, then you absolutely get into this situation. Even on NVMe, rarely is a windows 10 update (still running it here) less than an hour. Then there’s connection speed. Even on a gig line you won’t get gig speeds. And again, if you’re not on it everyday then you may have to update multiple drivers and other windows updates.
- dividedbyzero 4y ago
  > Unless you manually seek preview updates, Windows gets updates once per month, on Patch Tuesday (a twenty-year tradition now). That's weird, there have been multiple occasions when my gaming desktop (Win10 Pro) installed updates for multiple consecutive shutdowns and I definitely haven't opted into any additional update channels. I don't use it all that often, so those were spaced out over two weeks maybe, but definitely less than a month. They tend to take quite a while for me, too, I'd say 20-ish minutes at the least? Typical minor macOS updates take less time for me (2020 Intel 13" MBP; desktop does have a NVMe SSD and is a bit older than the Macbook). At least with Windows Pro you can postpone them like on macOS, I've used Home for a bit and forced reboots mid-game are just crazy frustrating. No idea about Windows 11, my desktop apparently can't run it, which is weird, too; I thought backward compatibility was a big thing with Windows. Same with a few Windows XP era games, apparently I have to buy remastered versions, can't get the originals to run anymore. That's kind of a theme with me and Windows; I start out expecting things to be as good or better as on macOS (their user base is massive, surely they'll polish everything really nicely), but then reality is kinda underwhelming and frustrating. If I hibernate my PC, it invariably turns itself back on at 2 AM and won't go back to sleep even if configured to. It won't do WOL no matter what I try, scanning via a HP all-in-one device requires a HP cloud account, funnels me into an ink subscription, upload scans to their cloud and then crashes mid-scan (on macOS, that "just works" via the built-in Printers and Scanners app), the bundled Office app doesn't actually have the standalone apps (need to download the "real" Office installer for those, which they tell you nowhere at all; why don't they just bundle them like the iWork apps?), ... so at this point I've simply accepted that Windows is a bit like Linux in that as a non-expert user you have to live with a couple of weird and broken things at all times, but you can save money on hardware and can get setups Apple doesn't sell (like a comparatively inexpensive gaming desktop, though my desktop wasn't exactly cheap either). If I could have modded PC games on a more console-like platform, I'd probably move my gaming there.
OmahaBoy69 4y ago
I also had this issue. You can easily solve the problem by disabling the Windows update service in Services.msc.
nougatbyte 4y ago
I heard Apex runs pretty good on Linux via Proton
- justinclift 4y ago
  ProtonDB has it listed as "GOLD", so yep: https://www.protondb.com/app/1172470 https://www.protondb.com/app/1172470
- ar_lan 4y ago
  Ooooh! I haven't checked on Proton in some time but this is exciting news! I'm going to check this out, thanks!
- Jiemx 4y ago
  Hi guys, about MacOsVentura and ApexLegends: Is it native playable with Metal3? No Apex Legends for Windows only Updating with Ventura now; I look to play Apex on Macbook Pro16 since 12months been lose with Geforce (cloud); is bootcamp useable now with Apple chip? Let me know if you can provide key for this ; seson 15 coming soon and havent played the 14 only got BP, pseudo Jiemx lvl 500+(2400 reset) Update MacOsV 30mins up and running also what you think of Apex mod scripts legits; is it of use? anyone up to scripts for stocks markets or what thread for it (on trading view?
  - dividedbyzero 4y ago
    I'll be honest, I couldn't parse most of what you said, but I can at least confirm that there is no Bootcamp on Apple silicon, Apple didn't port it. So if you depend on Bootcamp for gaming, I fear you're out of luck on recent Macbooks.

by ar_lan 4y ago

ryan-allen 4y ago

Did you have an SSD on your PC ~3 years ago? I never found it to be that bad or for it to take that long! I kicked off the Ventura update today on the M1 Pro, went out to get lunch, it had finished by the time I got back. I've been on the 'insider preview' track on Windows 10 and 11 for around 18 months. You get big updates maybe 2-4 times per month and they do take around 20 minutes to install. Stick on the regular updates track, make sure you get an SSD, and your new Windows 11 experience will be fine just fine :) Check out WSL too, it is pretty good. I'm split on Linux vs Windows vs MacOS for development, it's all a game of tradeoffs. The trick is to have a few computers!

Scharkenberg 4y ago

> My previous experience with Windows (~3 years ago) was that every single update took ~2 hours to complete, and they were asking to update weekly. Unless you manually seek preview updates, Windows gets updates once per month, on Patch Tuesday (a twenty-year tradition now). Two hours for "every single update" sounds implausible for Windows 10 because Microsoft has implemented changes to minimize the "offline phase" of the updates to mere minutes - even on HDDs. Which brings to my last point. If updates were taking long, then your OS was most certainly installed on a HDD. Everyone knows HDDs are slow as hell. Seriously, what was the point of replying with complaints about Windows on slow hardware and comparing it to mac OS on fast hardware? It almost feels dishonest. And for the record, Ventura is installing on the Mac as I type this on my Windows machine. The 22H2 update for Windows 11 had an offline phase of under 10 minutes and I have a non-NMVe SSD here. The Mac has already been down for about 15 and it's not even done yet.

tekknik 4y ago
If you don’t use windows for your daily driver, then you absolutely get into this situation. Even on NVMe, rarely is a windows 10 update (still running it here) less than an hour. Then there’s connection speed. Even on a gig line you won’t get gig speeds. And again, if you’re not on it everyday then you may have to update multiple drivers and other windows updates.
dividedbyzero 4y ago
> Unless you manually seek preview updates, Windows gets updates once per month, on Patch Tuesday (a twenty-year tradition now). That's weird, there have been multiple occasions when my gaming desktop (Win10 Pro) installed updates for multiple consecutive shutdowns and I definitely haven't opted into any additional update channels. I don't use it all that often, so those were spaced out over two weeks maybe, but definitely less than a month. They tend to take quite a while for me, too, I'd say 20-ish minutes at the least? Typical minor macOS updates take less time for me (2020 Intel 13" MBP; desktop does have a NVMe SSD and is a bit older than the Macbook). At least with Windows Pro you can postpone them like on macOS, I've used Home for a bit and forced reboots mid-game are just crazy frustrating. No idea about Windows 11, my desktop apparently can't run it, which is weird, too; I thought backward compatibility was a big thing with Windows. Same with a few Windows XP era games, apparently I have to buy remastered versions, can't get the originals to run anymore. That's kind of a theme with me and Windows; I start out expecting things to be as good or better as on macOS (their user base is massive, surely they'll polish everything really nicely), but then reality is kinda underwhelming and frustrating. If I hibernate my PC, it invariably turns itself back on at 2 AM and won't go back to sleep even if configured to. It won't do WOL no matter what I try, scanning via a HP all-in-one device requires a HP cloud account, funnels me into an ink subscription, upload scans to their cloud and then crashes mid-scan (on macOS, that "just works" via the built-in Printers and Scanners app), the bundled Office app doesn't actually have the standalone apps (need to download the "real" Office installer for those, which they tell you nowhere at all; why don't they just bundle them like the iWork apps?), ... so at this point I've simply accepted that Windows is a bit like Linux in that as a non-expert user you have to live with a couple of weird and broken things at all times, but you can save money on hardware and can get setups Apple doesn't sell (like a comparatively inexpensive gaming desktop, though my desktop wasn't exactly cheap either). If I could have modded PC games on a more console-like platform, I'd probably move my gaming there.

OmahaBoy69 4y ago

I also had this issue. You can easily solve the problem by disabling the Windows update service in Services.msc.

nougatbyte 4y ago

I heard Apex runs pretty good on Linux via Proton

justinclift 4y ago
ProtonDB has it listed as "GOLD", so yep: https://www.protondb.com/app/1172470 https://www.protondb.com/app/1172470
ar_lan 4y ago
Ooooh! I haven't checked on Proton in some time but this is exciting news! I'm going to check this out, thanks!
Jiemx 4y ago
Hi guys, about MacOsVentura and ApexLegends: Is it native playable with Metal3? No Apex Legends for Windows only Updating with Ventura now; I look to play Apex on Macbook Pro16 since 12months been lose with Geforce (cloud); is bootcamp useable now with Apple chip? Let me know if you can provide key for this ; seson 15 coming soon and havent played the 14 only got BP, pseudo Jiemx lvl 500+(2400 reset) Update MacOsV 30mins up and running also what you think of Apex mod scripts legits; is it of use? anyone up to scripts for stocks markets or what thread for it (on trading view?
- dividedbyzero 4y ago
  I'll be honest, I couldn't parse most of what you said, but I can at least confirm that there is no Bootcamp on Apple silicon, Apple didn't port it. So if you depend on Bootcamp for gaming, I fear you're out of luck on recent Macbooks.