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Yeah I would never buy anything electronic, or anything to consume or put on my body from amazon.

Eisenstein 4y ago
If you actually want cheap highly reproducable electronics amazon is fine. It is alibaba but twice as expensive for an order of magnitude reduction in shipping speed.
- verall 4y ago
  With a functional return policy!
theonething 4y ago
Even if you buy it from the manufacture's official Amazon store?
- eloff 4y ago
  Thanks to Amazon comingling inventory, you can buy something from one seller and have it fulfilled from the inventory of another. There's no protection from fakes and counterfeits. Even the reviews aren't enough to be sure.
  - 411111111111111 4y ago
    That's not necessarily true in the context of the parent comment. It only applies to deliveries directly from Amazon and drop shipping sellers, but Amazon is essentially a marketplace and the original sellers don't have to co-mingle. You're completely safe from co-mingleing if you're actually buying through Amazon from the original manufacturer and the article information says something like "sold and delivered by TheOriginalManufacturer"
    - dataflow 4y ago
      By the way (since I see this a lot, and I've thought the same thing before), it's commingling, not co-mingling.
    - eloff 4y ago
      Only if the original manufacturer does the shipping, which is not always true. If it says "prime" it's warehoused by Amazon, original manufacturer or not, and subject to commingling.
      - 411111111111111 4y ago
        Yes, that's why I explicitly said that the article information has to include > "sold and delivered by TheOriginalManufacturer" It's commingled if it says "sold by TheOriginalManufacturer, delivered by Amazon" It's a pretty small line next to the price. (Prime delivery tag isn't an indicator btw, sellers can get prime certified and still handle their own shipping.) https://sell.amazon.com/programs/seller-fulfilled-prime https://sell.amazon.com/programs/seller-fulfilled-prime
        gergi 4y ago
        This is not correct. All that means is that the inventory is stored and fulfilled from Amazon’s warehouses. Commingled is a (minority) subset of that.
        411111111111111 4y ago
        Right, i was imprecise with that and should've said "commingling is only an option if the delivery is fulfilled by Amazon". The rest of my comment was entirely on point though. Kinda a stretch to say it's a minority though. There wouldn't be such an issue with counterfeit articles from Amazon if it wasn't the norm
FpUser 4y ago
I do not like Amazon for many reasons (treating employees being the main). However I bought crapload of electronics there for personal use and for my business and it was fine either right from the start or was refunded / replaced without problems even when not being fulfilled by Amazon.
- amluto 4y ago
  This works poorly when you buy something like an SD card, store something you care about on it, and then try to read it back off the card later.
  - selcuka 4y ago
    Not to defend counterfeits products, but I wouldn't trust even the best SD card on earth to store something I care about.
    - pdpi 4y ago
      For an SD card, “store something you care about” will very often mean photos or video. You have no choice but to trust the SD card for the time it takes you to get to your computer where you can dump the contents into something more reliable. High end cameras usually have dual card slots to help deal with this, but even that won’t help when the failure mode is trying to write past the cards’ actual physical capacity, because the counterfeit advertise more storage than what’s actually there.
      - amluto 4y ago
        “Care about” could even just mean wanting the thing to provide at least, say, two nines of reliability. If my Raspberry Pi stops working after 2 years because the SD card failed, fine. If it stops working after 1 day because the SD card falsifies its capacity, I have zero nines and I’m not happy.
  - cgriswald 4y ago
    It just generally works poorly without large amounts of luck. Lots of counterfeit or garbage goods will work okay at first but wear out quickly or just be dangerous to operate due to cheap parts.

If you actually want cheap highly reproducable electronics amazon is fine. It is alibaba but twice as expensive for an order of magnitude reduction in shipping speed.

verall 4y ago
With a functional return policy!

theonething 4y ago

Even if you buy it from the manufacture's official Amazon store?

eloff 4y ago
Thanks to Amazon comingling inventory, you can buy something from one seller and have it fulfilled from the inventory of another. There's no protection from fakes and counterfeits. Even the reviews aren't enough to be sure.
- 411111111111111 4y ago
  That's not necessarily true in the context of the parent comment. It only applies to deliveries directly from Amazon and drop shipping sellers, but Amazon is essentially a marketplace and the original sellers don't have to co-mingle. You're completely safe from co-mingleing if you're actually buying through Amazon from the original manufacturer and the article information says something like "sold and delivered by TheOriginalManufacturer"
  - dataflow 4y ago
    By the way (since I see this a lot, and I've thought the same thing before), it's commingling, not co-mingling.
  - eloff 4y ago
    Only if the original manufacturer does the shipping, which is not always true. If it says "prime" it's warehoused by Amazon, original manufacturer or not, and subject to commingling.
    - 411111111111111 4y ago
      Yes, that's why I explicitly said that the article information has to include > "sold and delivered by TheOriginalManufacturer" It's commingled if it says "sold by TheOriginalManufacturer, delivered by Amazon" It's a pretty small line next to the price. (Prime delivery tag isn't an indicator btw, sellers can get prime certified and still handle their own shipping.) https://sell.amazon.com/programs/seller-fulfilled-prime https://sell.amazon.com/programs/seller-fulfilled-prime
      - gergi 4y ago
        This is not correct. All that means is that the inventory is stored and fulfilled from Amazon’s warehouses. Commingled is a (minority) subset of that.
        411111111111111 4y ago
        Right, i was imprecise with that and should've said "commingling is only an option if the delivery is fulfilled by Amazon". The rest of my comment was entirely on point though. Kinda a stretch to say it's a minority though. There wouldn't be such an issue with counterfeit articles from Amazon if it wasn't the norm

FpUser 4y ago

I do not like Amazon for many reasons (treating employees being the main). However I bought crapload of electronics there for personal use and for my business and it was fine either right from the start or was refunded / replaced without problems even when not being fulfilled by Amazon.

amluto 4y ago
This works poorly when you buy something like an SD card, store something you care about on it, and then try to read it back off the card later.
- selcuka 4y ago
  Not to defend counterfeits products, but I wouldn't trust even the best SD card on earth to store something I care about.
  - pdpi 4y ago
    For an SD card, “store something you care about” will very often mean photos or video. You have no choice but to trust the SD card for the time it takes you to get to your computer where you can dump the contents into something more reliable. High end cameras usually have dual card slots to help deal with this, but even that won’t help when the failure mode is trying to write past the cards’ actual physical capacity, because the counterfeit advertise more storage than what’s actually there.
    - amluto 4y ago
      “Care about” could even just mean wanting the thing to provide at least, say, two nines of reliability. If my Raspberry Pi stops working after 2 years because the SD card failed, fine. If it stops working after 1 day because the SD card falsifies its capacity, I have zero nines and I’m not happy.
- cgriswald 4y ago
  It just generally works poorly without large amounts of luck. Lots of counterfeit or garbage goods will work okay at first but wear out quickly or just be dangerous to operate due to cheap parts.