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Yeah, I'm sitting here shocked at everyone's hate. I took a major leap and bought a Thinkpad X13s, with the same 8cx Gen 3 CPU this thing has. I am beyond impr

Yeah, I'm sitting here shocked at everyone's hate. I took a major leap and bought a Thinkpad X13s, with the same 8cx Gen 3 CPU this thing has. I am beyond impressed at it. Windows 11 on it - while, yes, it's Windows 11 with its own concerns and issues - runs flawlessly. I've been able to run my traditional x86 and x64 workloads - even things like arm64 Tailscale without issues, and I get amazing battery life. I am 100% for this thing. It's value for money in the high-performance ARM Windows rig market. It benches similarly to a ~11th gen i5 and runs the part.

csdvrx 4y ago
I love windows and wanted to give it a try, but the lack of OLED option is bothering me. Can you comment about the battery life and the "traditional x86" workloads? Does it use a just-in-time compilation? (I haven't looked at the details yet) Can you dual boot to a Linux arm64 distribution?
- monocasa 4y ago
  > Does it use a just-in-time compilation? It's a caching JIT that'll squirrel away the translations to use across program invocations, and even shared between different programs in the case of .dlls. https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/arm/apps-on-arm-x86-emulation https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/arm/apps-on-arm-x8...
- trog 4y ago
  > I love windows and wanted to give it a try, but the lack of OLED option is bothering me. My Dell XPS15 has an OLED, fwiw. It's a couple years old now but the latest models still have it (if you buy a 4K screen, anyway).
  - csdvrx 4y ago
    Thanks for the suggestion, but I don't buy dells anymore, too many problems with the BIOS. I'll stick to Lenovo for a while!
kcb 4y ago
There's a lot of the "it has less geekbenches than the M1 so it must be a total piece of crap" going on. I have a far less performant 8cx Gen 1 laptop with similar experience to you. It's no workstation but general usage and browsing work as well as you'd expect a modern laptop. With great battery life and total silence. This thing is basically the most performant ARM soc on the market with a lot of memory, fast storage and good connectivity. Not bad at all for the price. Not to mention there's a good chance this might be the first cost-effective ARM Linux workstation.
- kitsunesoba 4y ago
  > There's a lot of the "it has less geekbenches than the M1 so it must be a total piece of crap" going on. It's not that it benches worse than an M1, but rather that it doesn't do well against comparable x86 laptops. The whole reason M-series sells as well as it does is because people don't feel like they're giving up generations of power increases by buying them. Low power ARM laptops have been a thing for a long time in the form of Chromebooks, and adding Windows to the equation alone isn't enough to get most people to take notice. For Windows on ARM to work, the hardware it's running on has to be at least as powerful as mainstream x86 laptops.

csdvrx 4y ago

I love windows and wanted to give it a try, but the lack of OLED option is bothering me. Can you comment about the battery life and the "traditional x86" workloads? Does it use a just-in-time compilation? (I haven't looked at the details yet) Can you dual boot to a Linux arm64 distribution?

monocasa 4y ago
> Does it use a just-in-time compilation? It's a caching JIT that'll squirrel away the translations to use across program invocations, and even shared between different programs in the case of .dlls. https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/arm/apps-on-arm-x86-emulation https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/arm/apps-on-arm-x8...
trog 4y ago
> I love windows and wanted to give it a try, but the lack of OLED option is bothering me. My Dell XPS15 has an OLED, fwiw. It's a couple years old now but the latest models still have it (if you buy a 4K screen, anyway).
- csdvrx 4y ago
  Thanks for the suggestion, but I don't buy dells anymore, too many problems with the BIOS. I'll stick to Lenovo for a while!

kcb 4y ago

There's a lot of the "it has less geekbenches than the M1 so it must be a total piece of crap" going on. I have a far less performant 8cx Gen 1 laptop with similar experience to you. It's no workstation but general usage and browsing work as well as you'd expect a modern laptop. With great battery life and total silence. This thing is basically the most performant ARM soc on the market with a lot of memory, fast storage and good connectivity. Not bad at all for the price. Not to mention there's a good chance this might be the first cost-effective ARM Linux workstation.

kitsunesoba 4y ago
> There's a lot of the "it has less geekbenches than the M1 so it must be a total piece of crap" going on. It's not that it benches worse than an M1, but rather that it doesn't do well against comparable x86 laptops. The whole reason M-series sells as well as it does is because people don't feel like they're giving up generations of power increases by buying them. Low power ARM laptops have been a thing for a long time in the form of Chromebooks, and adding Windows to the equation alone isn't enough to get most people to take notice. For Windows on ARM to work, the hardware it's running on has to be at least as powerful as mainstream x86 laptops.