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I ended up skipping Monterey on my 2013 Mac Pro entirely because it wouldn't let me install it because my original SSD broke and I replaced it with a non-Apple

I ended up skipping Monterey on my 2013 Mac Pro entirely because it wouldn't let me install it because my original SSD broke and I replaced it with a non-Apple SSD. Starting with Monterey, that's not cool anymore because reasons. Supposedly if you install the original SSD it will update some firmware somewhere and you'll be able to use the 3rd party SSD after that. But, like I said, mine's broken. You can supposedly also buy a used genuine SSD off eBay, but that seems a slightly expensive way to do a free OS upgrade. Interesting story, Apple will not sell you a replacement or upgrade SSD for your 2013 Mac Pro - not for any price. They're only available for warranty replacements, and these computers haven't been under warranty for a long time. Another thing I assume is still not fixed: The ability to permanently disable VRR for monitors that don't behave well with Apple's VRR implementation. That one's been annoying me with Monterey on my work laptop. Every time the computer sleeps, it turns VRR back on, and my screen blinks and flickers away until I manually turn it off again.

rubiquity 4y ago
Apple's playbook is to use hardware support as a reason to drop software support to encourage (nudge?) customers to buy more hardware. Recently it has been dropping new macOS versions for non-metal GPUs and now (Monterey) not supporting SSDs without T2/Secure Enclave, and there are other examples before those. You get bit by this and decide if you want to stay on that train or get off. I was one-and-done with that ecosystem and my Late 2013 MacBook Pro. Also you can still update that Mac Pro of yours to Monterey if you use the Open Core bootloader. It just requires going off the beaten path.
- CharlesW 4y ago
  > Apple's playbook is to use hardware support as a reason to drop software support to encourage (nudge?) customers to buy more hardware. I mean, Apple was making new versions of macOS that supported the 2013 Mac Pro until literally today. If that's their playbook, they're not doing great.
  - rubiquity 4y ago
    That’s just the 2013 Mac Pro. I cited two other examples that apply to several other models and years.
  - billti 4y ago
    I just bought a new 14" M1 MacBook Pro because they stopped doing OS updates for my 2014 Intel MacBook Pro. Kinda sad, as the 2014 MacBook Pro is still, STILL - in 2022!, one of the best laptops I've had (including for running Windows via Bootcamp). Being it had no trade-in value, I'll keep using it as a test machine for Intel builds of my app. But yeah, the new Apple Silicon laptops are incredible, and I'm happy with the new purchase. If I get 8 years out of this one too, I'll be more than happy. To me, that's a reasonable length of time to support OSes on old hardware.
  - nsxwolf 4y ago
    I think it's pretty wild my trashcan has had OS updates for almost 10 years. And researching these tools y'all are recommending it looks like it might actually still be possible to run Ventura on it. This is actually probably my most favorite desktop computer I've ever owned. It's beautiful, and thanks to Intel's mediocre progress over the last decade, it's actually still pretty fast in all but the graphics department. Even still, it can play some modern games on low to medium settings just fine!
DavideNL 4y ago
Fyi, perhaps this is useful to you: https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/ https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/
mrpippy 4y ago
That problem has been solved, Ventura doesn't run on the 2013 Mac Pro :P
cr4nberry 4y ago
> Interesting story, Apple will not sell you a replacement or upgrade SSD for your 2013 Mac Pro - not for any price. They're only available for warranty replacements, and these computers haven't been under warranty for a long time. This is bullshit. Think about all the PR they have about eco-friendliness, yet they do this

rubiquity 4y ago

Apple's playbook is to use hardware support as a reason to drop software support to encourage (nudge?) customers to buy more hardware. Recently it has been dropping new macOS versions for non-metal GPUs and now (Monterey) not supporting SSDs without T2/Secure Enclave, and there are other examples before those. You get bit by this and decide if you want to stay on that train or get off. I was one-and-done with that ecosystem and my Late 2013 MacBook Pro. Also you can still update that Mac Pro of yours to Monterey if you use the Open Core bootloader. It just requires going off the beaten path.

CharlesW 4y ago
> Apple's playbook is to use hardware support as a reason to drop software support to encourage (nudge?) customers to buy more hardware. I mean, Apple was making new versions of macOS that supported the 2013 Mac Pro until literally today. If that's their playbook, they're not doing great.
- rubiquity 4y ago
  That’s just the 2013 Mac Pro. I cited two other examples that apply to several other models and years.
- billti 4y ago
  I just bought a new 14" M1 MacBook Pro because they stopped doing OS updates for my 2014 Intel MacBook Pro. Kinda sad, as the 2014 MacBook Pro is still, STILL - in 2022!, one of the best laptops I've had (including for running Windows via Bootcamp). Being it had no trade-in value, I'll keep using it as a test machine for Intel builds of my app. But yeah, the new Apple Silicon laptops are incredible, and I'm happy with the new purchase. If I get 8 years out of this one too, I'll be more than happy. To me, that's a reasonable length of time to support OSes on old hardware.
- nsxwolf 4y ago
  I think it's pretty wild my trashcan has had OS updates for almost 10 years. And researching these tools y'all are recommending it looks like it might actually still be possible to run Ventura on it. This is actually probably my most favorite desktop computer I've ever owned. It's beautiful, and thanks to Intel's mediocre progress over the last decade, it's actually still pretty fast in all but the graphics department. Even still, it can play some modern games on low to medium settings just fine!

DavideNL 4y ago

Fyi, perhaps this is useful to you: https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/ https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/

mrpippy 4y ago

That problem has been solved, Ventura doesn't run on the 2013 Mac Pro :P

cr4nberry 4y ago

> Interesting story, Apple will not sell you a replacement or upgrade SSD for your 2013 Mac Pro - not for any price. They're only available for warranty replacements, and these computers haven't been under warranty for a long time. This is bullshit. Think about all the PR they have about eco-friendliness, yet they do this