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>The first NES and Playstation were MASSIVE successes for their respective companies, as was the Gameboy. I never said they weren't successful, I said they wer

>The first NES and Playstation were MASSIVE successes for their respective companies, as was the Gameboy. I never said they weren't successful, I said they were also mismanaged during development like you said about the xbox, because management at Nintendo did not believe in the product. >I have no idea where you got the idea that any of those products were mismanaged Documentaries and war stories on youtube rabit holes. >in fact those specific examples are among the most successful product launches in video game history Today it's easy to say that with hindsight, but before they were launched, during their development, many in the company did not believe in those projects would succeed at all, leading to many internal fights and turf wars. Also, Nintendo has a number of fuckups that bombed as well. Anyone remember the Virtualboy? Or the Wii-U? Gamecube also didn't sell too good. The only thing that moves Nintendo merch is their exclusive IP (Zelda, Mario, Pokemon, etc), as their HW products are mediocre at best both in technical capabilities and in quality.

Kranar 4y ago
Can you please link to a Youtube video or article indicating that Nintendo management thought the Gameboy or NES would be a failure or that Sony thought that the Playstation would be a failure. I am looking at some quick sources that I can find, and it looks like the complete opposite, that the management at Nintendo was very eager to develop a home video game console based on the success of their arcade games. They believed in the NES so much that when Atari bailed on its partnership agreement with them (due in no small part to the video game crash of 83), they went ahead and decided to do it alone. Here is an article that was posted to HN awhile back that does a very deep dive into the development of the NES. It's an excerpt from the book "Console Wars" and it does not paint a picture at all like the one you're suggesting: http://grantland.com/features/the-rise-of-nintendo-video-games-history/ http://grantland.com/features/the-rise-of-nintendo-video-gam... A relevant quote is: "Yamauchi wanted Nintendo to aggressively get into the videogame business, which was really two separate businesses: home consoles and coin-operated arcade games. He saw the potential in these industries and took the necessary steps for Nintendo to enter both." As an FYI, Yamauchi was the President of Nintendo.
- itsoktocry 4y ago
  I'm not sure what point you're making here. As the OP said, you took some anecdata about the Xbox's issues and speak about it like it was a disaster. They had problems, as did Nintendo and Sega (as talked about in Console Wars). It certainly wasn't all roses. Sega stopped building systems altogether! The Xbox 360/One outsold the NES/SNES. That's amazing.
  - Kranar 4y ago
    I'm not the one making a point in this thread, I'm refuting the laughably false point that the other person made that the NES, Gameboy, and Playstation were mismanaged and ended up costing their respective companies significant sums of money. >As the OP said, you took some anecdata about the Xbox's issues and speak about it like it was a disaster. What anecdata are you talking about? I linked to a source on the subject and not just any source, it's an interview with the head of XBox, Phil Spencer. I have also followed up every single one of my posts with a reputable source. OP claims that they also have sources that suggest that Sony and Nintendo did mismanage the launch of their respective consoles in a manner that cost them significant amounts of money, so I'd like to review those sources. The fact that he was actively replying to me until I requested some evidence to back his claims is a strong indication that those sources never existed.
    - ChuckNorris89 4y ago
      >The fact that he was actively replying to me until I requested some evidence to back his claims is a strong indication that those sources never existed. I stopped replying to you because I saw you have a bone to pick and I have a life to live rather than trying to win an online argument with you. The sources are on youtube, feel free to use the search function and watch them at your own convenience and make your own opinion. Good day sir.
      - Kranar 4y ago
        What a sad excuse of a reply. Just have the decency to admit you have no source, maybe you misheard something, instead of doubling down on your ignorance. It's unbelievably pathetic otherwise.

Kranar 4y ago

Can you please link to a Youtube video or article indicating that Nintendo management thought the Gameboy or NES would be a failure or that Sony thought that the Playstation would be a failure. I am looking at some quick sources that I can find, and it looks like the complete opposite, that the management at Nintendo was very eager to develop a home video game console based on the success of their arcade games. They believed in the NES so much that when Atari bailed on its partnership agreement with them (due in no small part to the video game crash of 83), they went ahead and decided to do it alone. Here is an article that was posted to HN awhile back that does a very deep dive into the development of the NES. It's an excerpt from the book "Console Wars" and it does not paint a picture at all like the one you're suggesting: http://grantland.com/features/the-rise-of-nintendo-video-games-history/ http://grantland.com/features/the-rise-of-nintendo-video-gam... A relevant quote is: "Yamauchi wanted Nintendo to aggressively get into the videogame business, which was really two separate businesses: home consoles and coin-operated arcade games. He saw the potential in these industries and took the necessary steps for Nintendo to enter both." As an FYI, Yamauchi was the President of Nintendo.

itsoktocry 4y ago
I'm not sure what point you're making here. As the OP said, you took some anecdata about the Xbox's issues and speak about it like it was a disaster. They had problems, as did Nintendo and Sega (as talked about in Console Wars). It certainly wasn't all roses. Sega stopped building systems altogether! The Xbox 360/One outsold the NES/SNES. That's amazing.
- Kranar 4y ago
  I'm not the one making a point in this thread, I'm refuting the laughably false point that the other person made that the NES, Gameboy, and Playstation were mismanaged and ended up costing their respective companies significant sums of money. >As the OP said, you took some anecdata about the Xbox's issues and speak about it like it was a disaster. What anecdata are you talking about? I linked to a source on the subject and not just any source, it's an interview with the head of XBox, Phil Spencer. I have also followed up every single one of my posts with a reputable source. OP claims that they also have sources that suggest that Sony and Nintendo did mismanage the launch of their respective consoles in a manner that cost them significant amounts of money, so I'd like to review those sources. The fact that he was actively replying to me until I requested some evidence to back his claims is a strong indication that those sources never existed.
  - ChuckNorris89 4y ago
    >The fact that he was actively replying to me until I requested some evidence to back his claims is a strong indication that those sources never existed. I stopped replying to you because I saw you have a bone to pick and I have a life to live rather than trying to win an online argument with you. The sources are on youtube, feel free to use the search function and watch them at your own convenience and make your own opinion. Good day sir.
    - Kranar 4y ago
      What a sad excuse of a reply. Just have the decency to admit you have no source, maybe you misheard something, instead of doubling down on your ignorance. It's unbelievably pathetic otherwise.