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Ventura and iPadOS 16 dropped (along with iOS 16.1), but not Xcode 14.1 (which is still RC). I don't recall them ever not releasing Xcode at the same time as a

Ventura and iPadOS 16 dropped (along with iOS 16.1), but not Xcode 14.1 (which is still RC). I don't recall them ever not releasing Xcode at the same time as an OS update.

rcarmo 4y ago
Well, I certainly hope the command-line tools are up to date. Otherwise upgrading brew and all its ecosystem might be somewhat of a pain.
- sramsay 4y ago
  Right now, homebrew is refusing to compile packages from source: Error: Your Xcode (14.0.1) is too outdated. Please update to Xcode 14.1 (or delete it). Xcode can be updated from the App Store.
  - rcarmo 4y ago
    There _is_ a switch for that someplace. Or check the environment variables in the docs, I had that issue once in the past.
  - alwillis 4y ago
    I’ve been running Homebrew on Ventura beta all summer; if you don’t want to install the entire colossal Xcode 14.1, you probably just need the latest command line tools [1]. [1]: https://download.developer.apple.com/Developer_Tools/Command_Line_Tools_for_Xcode_14.1_Release_Candidate/Command_Line_Tools_for_Xcode_14.1_Release_Candidate.dmg https://download.developer.apple.com/Developer_Tools/Command...
    - wingworks 4y ago
      There is a new RC out (RC 2) https://download.developer.apple.com/Developer_Tools/Command_Line_Tools_for_Xcode_14.1_Release_Candidate_2/Command_Line_Tools_for_Xcode_14.1_Release_Candidate_2.dmg https://download.developer.apple.com/Developer_Tools/Command... You may also need to run sudo xcode-select -switch /Library/Developer/CommandLineTools
frankjr 4y ago
And iOS 15.7 seems to be already abandoned.
- ehutch79 4y ago
  So no security updates or anything?
  - deleted 4y ago
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- alwillis 4y ago
  iOS 15.7 got a bunch of security updates [1] last month; it’s still a supported operating system. There’s no reason to believe there won’t be future security updates if they’re necessary. Apple released a security update for iOS 12 a couple of months ago [2], an operating system released a little over 4 years ago. I think you’re good. [1]: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT213445 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT213445 [2]: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT213428 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT213428
  - frankjr 4y ago
    > iOS 15.7 got a bunch of security updates [1] last month And nothing this month which means it's already vulnerable to pretty much all of the vulnerabilities that got fixed. Some could be iOS 16 specific but the vast majority are not. > Apple released a security update for iOS 12 a couple of months ago And fixed a single vulnerability because it was actively exploited in the wild, leaving the OS with hundreds of other vulnerabilities unfixed. Not arguing Apple should keep OS versions supported forever but the reality is that unless you're on the latest major version you're pretty much out of luck.
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    - alwillis 4y ago
      And nothing this month which means it's already vulnerable to pretty much all of the vulnerabilities that got fixed. Some could be iOS 16 specific but the vast majority are not. The fact that there hasn’t been a second security update for iOS 15 doesn’t mean another one isn’t coming which it almost certainly is. unless you're on the latest major version you're pretty much out of luck As I just mentioned, iOS 12, a 4-year old operating system got updated a couple of month ago and iOS 15 will continue getting updates obviously. To put things in perspective, updating iOS 12 means devices as old as the iPhone 5s were updated. The iPhone 5s first shipped September 2013—over 9 years ago! I suspect Android devices released 9 years ago haven’t been updated in a long long time. Besides, by the summer of 2023, something like 80+% of the installed base will be on iOS 16, which is what happens every year. iOS 16 is already a little ahead of where iOS 15 installs were at the same time last year [1]. [1]: https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/09/14/ios-16-adoption-slightly-ahead-of-ios-15-after-24-hours https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/09/14/ios-16-adoption-s...
satysin 4y ago
The RC will most likely be promoted to release within the next 24 hours like with Xcode 14 and 14.0.1
- sramsay 4y ago
  Except not this time. RC 2 was just released.
  - satysin 4y ago
    Yes I just noticed that, interesting break from the past two releases!

Ventura and iPadOS 16 dropped (along with iOS 16.1), but not Xcode 14.1 (which is still RC). I don't recall them ever not releasing Xcode at the same time as an OS update.

rcarmo 4y ago

Well, I certainly hope the command-line tools are up to date. Otherwise upgrading brew and all its ecosystem might be somewhat of a pain.

sramsay 4y ago
Right now, homebrew is refusing to compile packages from source: Error: Your Xcode (14.0.1) is too outdated. Please update to Xcode 14.1 (or delete it). Xcode can be updated from the App Store.
- rcarmo 4y ago
  There _is_ a switch for that someplace. Or check the environment variables in the docs, I had that issue once in the past.
- alwillis 4y ago
  I’ve been running Homebrew on Ventura beta all summer; if you don’t want to install the entire colossal Xcode 14.1, you probably just need the latest command line tools [1]. [1]: https://download.developer.apple.com/Developer_Tools/Command_Line_Tools_for_Xcode_14.1_Release_Candidate/Command_Line_Tools_for_Xcode_14.1_Release_Candidate.dmg https://download.developer.apple.com/Developer_Tools/Command...
  - wingworks 4y ago
    There is a new RC out (RC 2) https://download.developer.apple.com/Developer_Tools/Command_Line_Tools_for_Xcode_14.1_Release_Candidate_2/Command_Line_Tools_for_Xcode_14.1_Release_Candidate_2.dmg https://download.developer.apple.com/Developer_Tools/Command... You may also need to run sudo xcode-select -switch /Library/Developer/CommandLineTools

frankjr 4y ago

And iOS 15.7 seems to be already abandoned.

ehutch79 4y ago
So no security updates or anything?
- deleted 4y ago
  [deleted]
alwillis 4y ago
iOS 15.7 got a bunch of security updates [1] last month; it’s still a supported operating system. There’s no reason to believe there won’t be future security updates if they’re necessary. Apple released a security update for iOS 12 a couple of months ago [2], an operating system released a little over 4 years ago. I think you’re good. [1]: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT213445 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT213445 [2]: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT213428 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT213428
- frankjr 4y ago
  > iOS 15.7 got a bunch of security updates [1] last month And nothing this month which means it's already vulnerable to pretty much all of the vulnerabilities that got fixed. Some could be iOS 16 specific but the vast majority are not. > Apple released a security update for iOS 12 a couple of months ago And fixed a single vulnerability because it was actively exploited in the wild, leaving the OS with hundreds of other vulnerabilities unfixed. Not arguing Apple should keep OS versions supported forever but the reality is that unless you're on the latest major version you're pretty much out of luck.
  - deleted 4y ago
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  - alwillis 4y ago
    And nothing this month which means it's already vulnerable to pretty much all of the vulnerabilities that got fixed. Some could be iOS 16 specific but the vast majority are not. The fact that there hasn’t been a second security update for iOS 15 doesn’t mean another one isn’t coming which it almost certainly is. unless you're on the latest major version you're pretty much out of luck As I just mentioned, iOS 12, a 4-year old operating system got updated a couple of month ago and iOS 15 will continue getting updates obviously. To put things in perspective, updating iOS 12 means devices as old as the iPhone 5s were updated. The iPhone 5s first shipped September 2013—over 9 years ago! I suspect Android devices released 9 years ago haven’t been updated in a long long time. Besides, by the summer of 2023, something like 80+% of the installed base will be on iOS 16, which is what happens every year. iOS 16 is already a little ahead of where iOS 15 installs were at the same time last year [1]. [1]: https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/09/14/ios-16-adoption-slightly-ahead-of-ios-15-after-24-hours https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/09/14/ios-16-adoption-s...

satysin 4y ago

The RC will most likely be promoted to release within the next 24 hours like with Xcode 14 and 14.0.1

sramsay 4y ago
Except not this time. RC 2 was just released.
- satysin 4y ago
  Yes I just noticed that, interesting break from the past two releases!