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I'd argue that Microsoft entering the mobile OS market is worse than having a duopoly

radicaldreamer 4y ago
Why?
ramesh31 4y ago
>I'd argue that Microsoft entering the mobile OS market is worse than having a duopoly We need something. I’ve lost all faith in the hardware direction of iPhone. The 14 Pro (let alone Pro Max) is an absurd monstrosity. And Google clearly has no interest in innovation beyond copying Apple.
- imwillofficial 4y ago
  How do you mean? Im curious as to your thoughts
  - ramesh31 4y ago
    >How do you mean? Im curious as to your thoughts They've lost any sense of maintaining a cohesive design, or keeping things sleek and convenient. Performance has plateaued to a level of diminishing returns, so the only way they can get people to buy a new phone every year since iPhone 7 is to say "hey we put a bigger camera on it". Product ran free with that mandate, and now we have this abomination: https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod/images/trevor-raab-iphone-14-pro-0086-1663180196.jpg https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod/images/trevor-raab-ipho... I have this recurring fantasy of an alternate history timeline where Steve Jobs never died, and when an engineer brought him the first iPhone 7 prototype, he held it in his hand, flipped it over, felt the camera bump, and said "You're fired. Get rid of the bump". I just refuse to believe he would have allowed this to happen, and I refuse to believe that we can't have good cameras without bumps.
    - imwillofficial 4y ago
      Great points
- xen2xen1 4y ago
  GP is probably one of the "small phone people" to hazard a guess.
- myko 4y ago
  > And Google clearly has no interest in innovation beyond copying Apple. I disagree, I think both platforms have copied plenty from one another. I used to jailbreak my iOS devices to get similar functionality to Android. Hasn't been necessary for awhile, I feel like the platforms are near parity now, but claiming one is copying the other (with no reciprocity) seems farfetched.
thesuperbigfrog 4y ago
>> I'd argue that Microsoft entering the mobile OS market is worse than having a duopoly Would please you elaborate your argument? Personally, I think having more choices would be better. The Apple vs. Google duopoly is limiting for consumers and developers. Would you rather have an expensive device that you barely control or a cheaper device that spies on you? More choices and competition, please.
- scarface74 4y ago
  So what exactly are “consumers” clamoring for that are not currently being delivered?
  - thesuperbigfrog 4y ago
    >> So what exactly are “consumers” clamoring for that are not currently being delivered? Until other choices are available, people tend to accept the default or keep on doing what was done in the past. There is a segment of consumers that would like choices beyond Apple and Google mobile operating systems: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/askjack/2019/jul/04/can-i-buy-a-phone-that-does-not-use-anything-from-google-or-apple https://www.theguardian.com/technology/askjack/2019/jul/04/c... https://vivaldi.com/blog/technology/smartphones-5-alternatives-to-apple-google-and-samsung/ https://vivaldi.com/blog/technology/smartphones-5-alternativ... https://www.pcmag.com/picks/break-away-from-android-ios-7-free-open-source-mobile-oses-to-try https://www.pcmag.com/picks/break-away-from-android-ios-7-fr... Personally, I would like to see more "convergence" devices that let the little computer I carry around with me be anything I want it to be: a programmable general purpose computer, a streaming media server, or whatever else I want. There are some projects that offer such functionality, but most require expert knowledge to setup or are not very widely-adopted or not very mature: https://maruos.com/ https://maruos.com/ https://www.pine64.org/pinephone/ https://www.pine64.org/pinephone/ Walled gardens are not where innovation happens because the gardeners uproot whatever does not meet their vision.
    - scarface74 4y ago
      You really don’t think you’re out of touch with what most users want? > https://www.theguardian.com/technology/askjack/2019/jul/04/can-i-buy-a-phone-that-does-not-use-anything-from-google-or-apple https://www.theguardian.com/technology/askjack/2019/jul/04/c... Yes because using an operating system from the other 1 trillion dollar market cap company is going to be a better alternative. Meet the new boss… > https://vivaldi.com/blog/technology/smartphones-5-alternatives-to-apple-google-and-samsung/ https://vivaldi.com/blog/technology/smartphones-5-alternativ... And those alternatives are already out there and no one wants them in a first approximation to no one > https://www.pcmag.com/picks/break-away-from-android-ios-7-free-open-source-mobile-oses-to-try https://www.pcmag.com/picks/break-away-from-android-ios-7-fr... Okay. So they are “out there to try”. Have the majority of users been clamoring for it? > Personally, I would like to see more "convergence" devices that let the little computer I carry around with me be anything I want it to be: a programmable general purpose computer, a streaming media server, or whatever else I want. And you are in the modernity and so much so that it wouldn’t be a profitable business. Do you think Microsoft is going to give you that? > Walled gardens are not where innovation happens because the gardeners uproot whatever does not meet their vision. Where are all of the “innovations” that the majority of people care about - or even enough to make a profitable business - on Android where you can sideload and have third party web browser engines?
IndigoIncognito 4y ago
I was joking... Everyone Chill out

Why?

>I'd argue that Microsoft entering the mobile OS market is worse than having a duopoly We need something. I’ve lost all faith in the hardware direction of iPhone. The 14 Pro (let alone Pro Max) is an absurd monstrosity. And Google clearly has no interest in innovation beyond copying Apple.

imwillofficial 4y ago
How do you mean? Im curious as to your thoughts
- ramesh31 4y ago
  >How do you mean? Im curious as to your thoughts They've lost any sense of maintaining a cohesive design, or keeping things sleek and convenient. Performance has plateaued to a level of diminishing returns, so the only way they can get people to buy a new phone every year since iPhone 7 is to say "hey we put a bigger camera on it". Product ran free with that mandate, and now we have this abomination: https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod/images/trevor-raab-iphone-14-pro-0086-1663180196.jpg https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod/images/trevor-raab-ipho... I have this recurring fantasy of an alternate history timeline where Steve Jobs never died, and when an engineer brought him the first iPhone 7 prototype, he held it in his hand, flipped it over, felt the camera bump, and said "You're fired. Get rid of the bump". I just refuse to believe he would have allowed this to happen, and I refuse to believe that we can't have good cameras without bumps.
  - imwillofficial 4y ago
    Great points
xen2xen1 4y ago
GP is probably one of the "small phone people" to hazard a guess.
myko 4y ago
> And Google clearly has no interest in innovation beyond copying Apple. I disagree, I think both platforms have copied plenty from one another. I used to jailbreak my iOS devices to get similar functionality to Android. Hasn't been necessary for awhile, I feel like the platforms are near parity now, but claiming one is copying the other (with no reciprocity) seems farfetched.

thesuperbigfrog 4y ago

>> I'd argue that Microsoft entering the mobile OS market is worse than having a duopoly Would please you elaborate your argument? Personally, I think having more choices would be better. The Apple vs. Google duopoly is limiting for consumers and developers. Would you rather have an expensive device that you barely control or a cheaper device that spies on you? More choices and competition, please.

scarface74 4y ago
So what exactly are “consumers” clamoring for that are not currently being delivered?
- thesuperbigfrog 4y ago
  >> So what exactly are “consumers” clamoring for that are not currently being delivered? Until other choices are available, people tend to accept the default or keep on doing what was done in the past. There is a segment of consumers that would like choices beyond Apple and Google mobile operating systems: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/askjack/2019/jul/04/can-i-buy-a-phone-that-does-not-use-anything-from-google-or-apple https://www.theguardian.com/technology/askjack/2019/jul/04/c... https://vivaldi.com/blog/technology/smartphones-5-alternatives-to-apple-google-and-samsung/ https://vivaldi.com/blog/technology/smartphones-5-alternativ... https://www.pcmag.com/picks/break-away-from-android-ios-7-free-open-source-mobile-oses-to-try https://www.pcmag.com/picks/break-away-from-android-ios-7-fr... Personally, I would like to see more "convergence" devices that let the little computer I carry around with me be anything I want it to be: a programmable general purpose computer, a streaming media server, or whatever else I want. There are some projects that offer such functionality, but most require expert knowledge to setup or are not very widely-adopted or not very mature: https://maruos.com/ https://maruos.com/ https://www.pine64.org/pinephone/ https://www.pine64.org/pinephone/ Walled gardens are not where innovation happens because the gardeners uproot whatever does not meet their vision.
  - scarface74 4y ago
    You really don’t think you’re out of touch with what most users want? > https://www.theguardian.com/technology/askjack/2019/jul/04/can-i-buy-a-phone-that-does-not-use-anything-from-google-or-apple https://www.theguardian.com/technology/askjack/2019/jul/04/c... Yes because using an operating system from the other 1 trillion dollar market cap company is going to be a better alternative. Meet the new boss… > https://vivaldi.com/blog/technology/smartphones-5-alternatives-to-apple-google-and-samsung/ https://vivaldi.com/blog/technology/smartphones-5-alternativ... And those alternatives are already out there and no one wants them in a first approximation to no one > https://www.pcmag.com/picks/break-away-from-android-ios-7-free-open-source-mobile-oses-to-try https://www.pcmag.com/picks/break-away-from-android-ios-7-fr... Okay. So they are “out there to try”. Have the majority of users been clamoring for it? > Personally, I would like to see more "convergence" devices that let the little computer I carry around with me be anything I want it to be: a programmable general purpose computer, a streaming media server, or whatever else I want. And you are in the modernity and so much so that it wouldn’t be a profitable business. Do you think Microsoft is going to give you that? > Walled gardens are not where innovation happens because the gardeners uproot whatever does not meet their vision. Where are all of the “innovations” that the majority of people care about - or even enough to make a profitable business - on Android where you can sideload and have third party web browser engines?

IndigoIncognito 4y ago

I was joking... Everyone Chill out