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At the risk of sounding like a quack, I also wonder about the ubiquity of wireless radiation and it’s effect (as it’s rise also matches this rise). I’m less con

At the risk of sounding like a quack, I also wonder about the ubiquity of wireless radiation and it’s effect (as it’s rise also matches this rise). I’m less concerned about Wi-Fi router signals because of radiation dissipation at proximity, but I’d love to see more studies on devices we use that do not benefit from the inverse square law. Specifically AirPods or other Bluetooth devices that travel directly between the ears with no distance.

jjtheblunt 4y ago
Does the sun bath us in RF power across a huge spectrum far beyond what is measured for cellular/wifi/broadcast etc?
- titzer 4y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_radio_emission https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_radio_emission
- radicaldreamer 4y ago
  Not convinced that non-ionizing radiation is anything to worry about, but I think one argument is that life evolved with solar radiation as a baseline, but has not yet adapted to artificial sources of non-ionizing radiation.
- jeffbee 4y ago
  Anti-RF people claim that higher power and higher frequency are both bad, but they never explain why TVs are OK when their frequencies are way higher and their power levels are absolutely outrageous compared to radios.
lynguist 4y ago
Radiation is easy: There is ionizing radiation (that affects matters as it travels through it) and non-ionizing radiation (that doesn’t affect matters as it travels through it). X-ray is of the first kind. Decay radiation is of the first kind. Wireless communications radio is of the second kind. You should really focus on pollution and not on non-issues. Btw: air pollution killed more people over the same period than did Covid.
- titzer 4y ago
  Microwaves are non-ionizing but can cause localized heating, ala the Microwave oven. But the amount of power needed to raise any amount of tissue appreciable amounts is very high.
- marginalia_nu 4y ago
  This is sort of a naive dichotomy of radiation. Ionizing radiation is unique in that it can ionize particles, which is bad, but ionization isn't the only way you can affect matter that is bad. If you put a bug under a magnifying glass on a sunny day you're exposing it to non-ionizing radiation. Ask the bug whether only ionizing radiation is harmful. Here's non-ionizing radiation affecting metal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8i2OVqWo9s0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8i2OVqWo9s0 Does this mean all non-ionizing radiation is bad? That 5G vaccines cause covid antennas? Of course not. That's ridiculous. But it's also ridiculous to brush off all non-ionizing radiation as harmless.
  - blueflow 4y ago
    I thought sunlight was ionizing radiation? We literally get irradiation damage (sunburns) from it.
    - marginalia_nu 4y ago
      Sure. The energetic end of the visible spectrum is weakly ionizing, more so in the UV spectrum. But ionization is not why the bug starts smoking. You can start a fire with a sufficiently high powered infrared laser too.
      - nickff 4y ago
        I think it's worth noting that a magnifying glass actually blocks/filters out UVB, and substantially reduces UVA. Feynman famously watched Trinity with only a truck windshield to protect him. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity_(nuclear_test) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity_(nuclear_test)
  - 4y ago
whatshisface 4y ago
Nobody has ever made a single (plausible) suggestion of how that might work. Molecules have radiofrequency spectra inside of the high magnetic fields of NMR machines, not out in the open. It would be a major scientific discovery to find a protein or something that could work as a radio antenna, and due to the sizes involved relative to the wavelengths, I am not sure if that would even be possible. (To answer people talking about heating: Yes, you can microwave food to cook it. But as far as I know you can only cook it - because you're coupling with large-scale modes that have no structure relative to the arrangement of tissues in the food.)
hypefi 4y ago
I have become sensitive to EMFs from electrical devices these last years. Because it is a biophysics subject, the amount of variables is very high in order to detect the impact of radiation on nervous system easily, food, amount of sleep, stress, psychological state, overall health, environmental toxins, amount of radiation all enter into the equation which makes it almost impossible to pinpoint the EMFs. But still, for me, (one data point) I can clearly see that when I am not around EMF radiation anymore my overall state is better.
- Red_Leaves_Flyy 4y ago
  Have you been diagnosed by a licensed board certified doctor? Maybe Move to green bank?

jjtheblunt 4y ago

Does the sun bath us in RF power across a huge spectrum far beyond what is measured for cellular/wifi/broadcast etc?

titzer 4y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_radio_emission https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_radio_emission
radicaldreamer 4y ago
Not convinced that non-ionizing radiation is anything to worry about, but I think one argument is that life evolved with solar radiation as a baseline, but has not yet adapted to artificial sources of non-ionizing radiation.
jeffbee 4y ago
Anti-RF people claim that higher power and higher frequency are both bad, but they never explain why TVs are OK when their frequencies are way higher and their power levels are absolutely outrageous compared to radios.

lynguist 4y ago

Radiation is easy: There is ionizing radiation (that affects matters as it travels through it) and non-ionizing radiation (that doesn’t affect matters as it travels through it). X-ray is of the first kind. Decay radiation is of the first kind. Wireless communications radio is of the second kind. You should really focus on pollution and not on non-issues. Btw: air pollution killed more people over the same period than did Covid.

titzer 4y ago
Microwaves are non-ionizing but can cause localized heating, ala the Microwave oven. But the amount of power needed to raise any amount of tissue appreciable amounts is very high.
marginalia_nu 4y ago
This is sort of a naive dichotomy of radiation. Ionizing radiation is unique in that it can ionize particles, which is bad, but ionization isn't the only way you can affect matter that is bad. If you put a bug under a magnifying glass on a sunny day you're exposing it to non-ionizing radiation. Ask the bug whether only ionizing radiation is harmful. Here's non-ionizing radiation affecting metal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8i2OVqWo9s0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8i2OVqWo9s0 Does this mean all non-ionizing radiation is bad? That 5G vaccines cause covid antennas? Of course not. That's ridiculous. But it's also ridiculous to brush off all non-ionizing radiation as harmless.
- blueflow 4y ago
  I thought sunlight was ionizing radiation? We literally get irradiation damage (sunburns) from it.
  - marginalia_nu 4y ago
    Sure. The energetic end of the visible spectrum is weakly ionizing, more so in the UV spectrum. But ionization is not why the bug starts smoking. You can start a fire with a sufficiently high powered infrared laser too.
    - nickff 4y ago
      I think it's worth noting that a magnifying glass actually blocks/filters out UVB, and substantially reduces UVA. Feynman famously watched Trinity with only a truck windshield to protect him. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity_(nuclear_test) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity_(nuclear_test)
- 4y ago

whatshisface 4y ago

Nobody has ever made a single (plausible) suggestion of how that might work. Molecules have radiofrequency spectra inside of the high magnetic fields of NMR machines, not out in the open. It would be a major scientific discovery to find a protein or something that could work as a radio antenna, and due to the sizes involved relative to the wavelengths, I am not sure if that would even be possible. (To answer people talking about heating: Yes, you can microwave food to cook it. But as far as I know you can only cook it - because you're coupling with large-scale modes that have no structure relative to the arrangement of tissues in the food.)

hypefi 4y ago

I have become sensitive to EMFs from electrical devices these last years. Because it is a biophysics subject, the amount of variables is very high in order to detect the impact of radiation on nervous system easily, food, amount of sleep, stress, psychological state, overall health, environmental toxins, amount of radiation all enter into the equation which makes it almost impossible to pinpoint the EMFs. But still, for me, (one data point) I can clearly see that when I am not around EMF radiation anymore my overall state is better.

Red_Leaves_Flyy 4y ago
Have you been diagnosed by a licensed board certified doctor? Maybe Move to green bank?