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Kinda makes you wonder about the ethical aspect of deciding to give birth

by Bakary 4y ago

dylan604 4y ago
Or the ethical aspect of forcing people to give birth
- Bakary 4y ago
  What bothers me is that many basic ethical principles fall by the wayside when the topic shifts to our own children. The reason for that is obvious: we are the descendants of organisms that valued reproduction. It's nonetheless an interesting discussion to have. Is it ethical to create a sentient AI that might suffer? -> we already make similar decisions millions of times per day Don't treat humans as means to an end, instead treat them as ends -> we create other humans to satisfy our current needs in a world characterized by struggle And of course as you have pointed out, some groups consider that it's better by default for a child to exist in adverse starting conditions (whilst also negatively impacting other people) than to not exist
  - wussboy 4y ago
    The people who decide bringing new life into this world is unethical will quickly be replaced those who think it _is_ ethical. I understand your reasoning, but "don't have kids" can never be the answer.
    - dylan604 4y ago
      From what perspective are you using the word "quickly" here? From human scales, quickly isn't true as China has been limiting to 1 kid for how long? From cosmological scales, humans barely even existed.
    - Bakary 4y ago
      It might never become popular but every individual aware of the argument can then choose to reproduce or not (assuming they aren't barred from it for other reasons). In other words, we can't really hide behind the survival of the species as a whole when we consider our own actions and their ramifications. We know the great mass of humans will carry on as before and there's little we can do to change that, but we are also aware that we have this responsibility that we can act on in our own life. Every person in the position to reproduce has a choice laid out before them. For the majority of us, it's the single most impactful ethical decision we will ever make.
- MomoXenosaga 4y ago
  Yes apparently God has given us free will but according to religious people we can't choose to not reproduce.

Kinda makes you wonder about the ethical aspect of deciding to give birth

by Bakary 4y ago

Kinda makes you wonder about the ethical aspect of deciding to give birth

dylan604 4y ago

Or the ethical aspect of forcing people to give birth

Bakary 4y ago
What bothers me is that many basic ethical principles fall by the wayside when the topic shifts to our own children. The reason for that is obvious: we are the descendants of organisms that valued reproduction. It's nonetheless an interesting discussion to have. Is it ethical to create a sentient AI that might suffer? -> we already make similar decisions millions of times per day Don't treat humans as means to an end, instead treat them as ends -> we create other humans to satisfy our current needs in a world characterized by struggle And of course as you have pointed out, some groups consider that it's better by default for a child to exist in adverse starting conditions (whilst also negatively impacting other people) than to not exist
- wussboy 4y ago
  The people who decide bringing new life into this world is unethical will quickly be replaced those who think it _is_ ethical. I understand your reasoning, but "don't have kids" can never be the answer.
  - dylan604 4y ago
    From what perspective are you using the word "quickly" here? From human scales, quickly isn't true as China has been limiting to 1 kid for how long? From cosmological scales, humans barely even existed.
  - Bakary 4y ago
    It might never become popular but every individual aware of the argument can then choose to reproduce or not (assuming they aren't barred from it for other reasons). In other words, we can't really hide behind the survival of the species as a whole when we consider our own actions and their ramifications. We know the great mass of humans will carry on as before and there's little we can do to change that, but we are also aware that we have this responsibility that we can act on in our own life. Every person in the position to reproduce has a choice laid out before them. For the majority of us, it's the single most impactful ethical decision we will ever make.
MomoXenosaga 4y ago
Yes apparently God has given us free will but according to religious people we can't choose to not reproduce.