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Had a coworker who was fired for this, though we found out about the second job after he was let go for performance issues. Especially as an engineer, this is j

Had a coworker who was fired for this, though we found out about the second job after he was let go for performance issues. Especially as an engineer, this is just done out of greed and disregard for coworkers who may be counting on you. Outside of a startup environment, it may matter less. But I still find it reprehensible

throwaway894345 4y ago
I don't know how you can say "this is just done out of greed and disregard for coworkers" based on one bad experience. You might be surprised to find out that lots of engineers aren't well-utilized. I've never held multiple concurrent jobs, but I've been in positions where I'm only 25% utilized because of blockers and poorly thought-out plans. If the business doesn't regard me or my team members highly, why should we be obligated to sit and twiddle our thumbs? If we find something productive to do apart from our primary employment, are we "only doing so out of greed and disregard for each other"? I can subscribe to the "lying about it is reprehensible" bit, but I don't think "making yourself productive" or "maximizing your income" or "not slaving for your employer" is bad. It's not like employers are committed to their employees; I don't see why employees should be faithful to their employers. > Would I ever leave this company? Look, I'm all about loyalty. In fact, I feel like part of what I'm being paid for here is my loyalty. But if there were somewhere else that valued loyalty more highly, I'm going wherever they value loyalty the most.
- s1artibartfast 4y ago
  Maybe you're not in your position, but in my position, one of my duties is to spend extra time finding value-added tasks for my employer.
  - throwaway894345 4y ago
    Yes, I think employers should empower their employees to deliver value, but many employers don't empower their employees, instead treating them like task monkeys.
    - s1artibartfast 4y ago
      Yeah, I tend to agree with you. I think that sentiment is a lot more productive in the long run.
wedowhatwedo 4y ago
Elon Musk is CEO of Tesla, SpaceX and possibly soon Twitter. Why do his shareholders allow him to do this if it is just done out of greed and disregard for coworkers who may be counting on him? Many CEOs are also on the board of other companies. In your case, the person couldn't handle two jobs and was let go, but if a person can handle two jobs, why shouldn't they? CEOs do it all the time.
- elcomet 4y ago
  But he's honest about it, this is known to all shareholders and employees.
  - wedowhatwedo 4y ago
    If a CEO's job isn't a full time job, why should anyone assume that a regular employee is a 24x7 job?
    - elcomet 4y ago
      If you're honest about it you can find part time job as an employee.
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throwaway894345 4y ago

I don't know how you can say "this is just done out of greed and disregard for coworkers" based on one bad experience. You might be surprised to find out that lots of engineers aren't well-utilized. I've never held multiple concurrent jobs, but I've been in positions where I'm only 25% utilized because of blockers and poorly thought-out plans. If the business doesn't regard me or my team members highly, why should we be obligated to sit and twiddle our thumbs? If we find something productive to do apart from our primary employment, are we "only doing so out of greed and disregard for each other"? I can subscribe to the "lying about it is reprehensible" bit, but I don't think "making yourself productive" or "maximizing your income" or "not slaving for your employer" is bad. It's not like employers are committed to their employees; I don't see why employees should be faithful to their employers. > Would I ever leave this company? Look, I'm all about loyalty. In fact, I feel like part of what I'm being paid for here is my loyalty. But if there were somewhere else that valued loyalty more highly, I'm going wherever they value loyalty the most.

s1artibartfast 4y ago
Maybe you're not in your position, but in my position, one of my duties is to spend extra time finding value-added tasks for my employer.
- throwaway894345 4y ago
  Yes, I think employers should empower their employees to deliver value, but many employers don't empower their employees, instead treating them like task monkeys.
  - s1artibartfast 4y ago
    Yeah, I tend to agree with you. I think that sentiment is a lot more productive in the long run.

wedowhatwedo 4y ago

Elon Musk is CEO of Tesla, SpaceX and possibly soon Twitter. Why do his shareholders allow him to do this if it is just done out of greed and disregard for coworkers who may be counting on him? Many CEOs are also on the board of other companies. In your case, the person couldn't handle two jobs and was let go, but if a person can handle two jobs, why shouldn't they? CEOs do it all the time.

elcomet 4y ago
But he's honest about it, this is known to all shareholders and employees.
- wedowhatwedo 4y ago
  If a CEO's job isn't a full time job, why should anyone assume that a regular employee is a 24x7 job?
  - elcomet 4y ago
    If you're honest about it you can find part time job as an employee.
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