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You're focusing solely on the content. My abject hatred of TikTok stems from who controls it.

newswasboring 4y ago
Weird, Bytedance has not done anything, to my knowledge, worse (or even better) than other big companies in consumer software space. Do you also not use Instagram? What about google or YouTube? They have done some pretty shady stuff. Or oculus VR? PayPal/stripe? All these companies have done extremely shady stuff, it's impossible to be at the top of any of these markets without being shady.
- UncleMeat 4y ago
  Bytedance's payout to creators is much lower than YouTube's and their content-moderation has been more harmful to people who are poor, queer, or not traditionally attractive than competing platforms. These probably aren't the top of the complaint list for most social media and content distribution platforms so I'm not saying these are reasons to consider Bytedance in a different category than Google or Facebook but they are worth knowing about.
- manu_te 4y ago
  It's about China... Everyone that can (US, China, etc.) tries to guzzle as much data from online users as possible. That said, there are checks and balances in the US, there is a certain level of accountability. China is an absolute black box setting up an Orwellian social credit system for its own citizens, and with no accountability whatsoever about the data they might collect from foreign citizens. So, even if everyone is playing a similar game, ultimately there are differences.
  - newswasboring 4y ago
    > That said, there are checks and balances in the US, there is a certain level of accountability. I'm sorry but there is no accountability in US, there are price tags.
samsari 4y ago
>abject hatred Well, thank goodness we're all managing to retain some perspective and not just descending into performative melodrama.
hnbad 4y ago
"Abject hatred" seems a bit much, even for TikTok. When it comes to negative impact on humanity, Meta seems far more hate-worthy. And it's not like this list is particularly short (e.g. nearly every venture a16z is involved in seems like it should get a spot). Heck, even HN isn't without sin.
- bovermyer 4y ago
  My hatred is not so much for TikTok itself, but for the controlling entity a few steps removed. If I were to judge TikTok solely on its own merits as a service then I would just be sitting at a "smoldering disdain" with perhaps a dash of sadness for modern preoccupation with frequent dopamine hits.

Weird, Bytedance has not done anything, to my knowledge, worse (or even better) than other big companies in consumer software space. Do you also not use Instagram? What about google or YouTube? They have done some pretty shady stuff. Or oculus VR? PayPal/stripe? All these companies have done extremely shady stuff, it's impossible to be at the top of any of these markets without being shady.

UncleMeat 4y ago
Bytedance's payout to creators is much lower than YouTube's and their content-moderation has been more harmful to people who are poor, queer, or not traditionally attractive than competing platforms. These probably aren't the top of the complaint list for most social media and content distribution platforms so I'm not saying these are reasons to consider Bytedance in a different category than Google or Facebook but they are worth knowing about.
manu_te 4y ago
It's about China... Everyone that can (US, China, etc.) tries to guzzle as much data from online users as possible. That said, there are checks and balances in the US, there is a certain level of accountability. China is an absolute black box setting up an Orwellian social credit system for its own citizens, and with no accountability whatsoever about the data they might collect from foreign citizens. So, even if everyone is playing a similar game, ultimately there are differences.
- newswasboring 4y ago
  > That said, there are checks and balances in the US, there is a certain level of accountability. I'm sorry but there is no accountability in US, there are price tags.

samsari 4y ago

>abject hatred Well, thank goodness we're all managing to retain some perspective and not just descending into performative melodrama.

hnbad 4y ago

"Abject hatred" seems a bit much, even for TikTok. When it comes to negative impact on humanity, Meta seems far more hate-worthy. And it's not like this list is particularly short (e.g. nearly every venture a16z is involved in seems like it should get a spot). Heck, even HN isn't without sin.

bovermyer 4y ago
My hatred is not so much for TikTok itself, but for the controlling entity a few steps removed. If I were to judge TikTok solely on its own merits as a service then I would just be sitting at a "smoldering disdain" with perhaps a dash of sadness for modern preoccupation with frequent dopamine hits.