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I lost some work a while ago because in Win 10 home you can't easily turn off automatic updates. The amount of hate I got on some forums for suggesting that au

I lost some work a while ago because in Win 10 home you can't easily turn off automatic updates. The amount of hate I got on some forums for suggesting that automatic updates are bad was beyond me. I just upgraded to Pro instead and turned it off in group policies, but I still got hit with an automatic restart at some point.

daemin 4y ago
While I have upgraded to Pro and turned off those settings myself, I have not experienced my whole system restarting to do an update. I have had to neuter the TPM modules in my BIOS to prevent Windows 11 from automatically installing though. However the issue that I've had was my Terminal App shutting down by itself, I thought it was a crash but it turns out it was because the Windows Store decided to update it. Now that is complete BS! How can a store arbitrarily decide to update an app while it is still running without asking, without waiting? Even Steam waits to download and update games for when you're not playing one. If it ever did the same thing as what the Windows Store does then there'd be a riot for sure. I guess that it means the Windows Store is just not being used by people at all. For those interested the "fix" for not having Terminal app restart for an update is to download the MSI package, extract it to a directory, and run it from there. That's directly from the Developer's words on Github.
- ectopod 4y ago
  Thank you! I've had wt just disappear on me a few times now and I've been meaning to investigate. It never occurred to me this was by design.
cratermoon 4y ago
Automatic updates to address real issues and security risks are fine, unless you're talking about updates that can't be postponed if you're in the middle of something. What we see, of course, is exactly what the twitter thread posted mentions: some "dickweasel" hijacked the update system to push crapware or do something user-hostile for purposes completely unrelated to what the user would want. James Williams discusses this in his book "Stand Out Of Our Light", and likens it to a GPS that takes you off to places that you never wanted to visit in the course of (maybe) getting you to your intended destination. Of course, you arrive late, if ever, and burned way more gas (or battery) than you needed. But the GPS got you to drive by a specific set of billboards that they wanted you to see.
- omgmajk 4y ago
  In my situation, I was doing GPU intensive work that took about two weeks to complete and got hit with an automatic reboot overnight at some point far into the run. It hit me again overnight while I hadn't saved something, which is my own fault, but it still bugged me. I update my system when I need to update it, but I don't like that it happens without my consent and that there is no way to turn it off.
RunSet 4y ago
> in Win 10 home you can't easily turn off automatic updates. If you set your internet connection to "metered" it exposes an option to disable automatic updates. https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/139722-turn-off-download-updates-over-metered-connections-windows-10-a.html https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/139722-turn-off-download...
- omgmajk 4y ago
  Sweet, good to know for my laptops. :)

daemin 4y ago

While I have upgraded to Pro and turned off those settings myself, I have not experienced my whole system restarting to do an update. I have had to neuter the TPM modules in my BIOS to prevent Windows 11 from automatically installing though. However the issue that I've had was my Terminal App shutting down by itself, I thought it was a crash but it turns out it was because the Windows Store decided to update it. Now that is complete BS! How can a store arbitrarily decide to update an app while it is still running without asking, without waiting? Even Steam waits to download and update games for when you're not playing one. If it ever did the same thing as what the Windows Store does then there'd be a riot for sure. I guess that it means the Windows Store is just not being used by people at all. For those interested the "fix" for not having Terminal app restart for an update is to download the MSI package, extract it to a directory, and run it from there. That's directly from the Developer's words on Github.

ectopod 4y ago
Thank you! I've had wt just disappear on me a few times now and I've been meaning to investigate. It never occurred to me this was by design.

cratermoon 4y ago

Automatic updates to address real issues and security risks are fine, unless you're talking about updates that can't be postponed if you're in the middle of something. What we see, of course, is exactly what the twitter thread posted mentions: some "dickweasel" hijacked the update system to push crapware or do something user-hostile for purposes completely unrelated to what the user would want. James Williams discusses this in his book "Stand Out Of Our Light", and likens it to a GPS that takes you off to places that you never wanted to visit in the course of (maybe) getting you to your intended destination. Of course, you arrive late, if ever, and burned way more gas (or battery) than you needed. But the GPS got you to drive by a specific set of billboards that they wanted you to see.

omgmajk 4y ago
In my situation, I was doing GPU intensive work that took about two weeks to complete and got hit with an automatic reboot overnight at some point far into the run. It hit me again overnight while I hadn't saved something, which is my own fault, but it still bugged me. I update my system when I need to update it, but I don't like that it happens without my consent and that there is no way to turn it off.

RunSet 4y ago

> in Win 10 home you can't easily turn off automatic updates. If you set your internet connection to "metered" it exposes an option to disable automatic updates. https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/139722-turn-off-download-updates-over-metered-connections-windows-10-a.html https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/139722-turn-off-download...

omgmajk 4y ago
Sweet, good to know for my laptops. :)