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I got a six year old T460, so I'm not really top of the line either. Nevertheless I don't sit in front of the machine for hours each and every month and watch W

I got a six year old T460, so I'm not really top of the line either. Nevertheless I don't sit in front of the machine for hours each and every month and watch Windows doing its updates. People like to dramatically exaggerate how long Windows update bind you each month. Probably no Windows users but it's an easy target.

jen20 4y ago
It doesn’t matter how long it takes if it elects to do it when you want to do something else. Computers are our servants not our managers. Choosing to do something which can neither be deferred or cancelled is unforgivable.
- martin_a 4y ago
  > which can neither be deferred or cancelled You can defer it. Update and reboot? Update and shutdown? Reboot/Shutdown without updating now? All three are possible, so it's fine.
  - jen20 4y ago
    I have absolutely seen updates which may not be deferred or refused - and indeed the original post this in this thread details one.
    - martin_a 4y ago
      Yeah, but I'm not refering to the original post but to complaints that Windows updates will take hours of your productive time each month for nothing. That's simply not true.
      - jen20 4y ago
        It doesn't matter whether it is hours or one minute, it's unacceptable. A sibling comment here describes how a Windows update started in the middle of a presentation someone was giving, which indicates quite clearly that Windows Updates take productive time away - not just of the user of the computer, but those who were listening also. Again, computers are our servants, not our managers.
- jkepler 4y ago
  I was at a conference and 5 minutes into the plenary speaker's keynote address, his Windows 10 laptop that he was running his presentation slides from started an obligatory none-cancelable system upgrade. I don't think Microsoft scored any PR points there.
  - macintux 4y ago
    Happens to DJs too.
  - ThrowawayR2 4y ago
    These posts are perplexing. It's like watching people getting angry because they were pulled over for not renewing their car tabs. - Everyone knows that car tabs have to be renewed by a deadline and everyone knows Windows has forced updates by a deadline. - Everyone knows how to pay to renew their car tabs and everyone knows how to check the Windows update so that it updates when you have free time for it. And if they don't, it's just 5 seconds of Googling to find either. - Everyone knows what is going to happen if they don't renew their car tabs or allow the reboot by a certain date. - Everyone knows that neither the vehicle licensing authorities nor Microsoft is going to change their policies. It doesn't matter what people think the policy ought to be because it isn't that way and they know it. So basically, they picked up a gun, took careful aim at their foot, pulled the trigger, and are shocked and angry that there's a bleeding hole? Sure, they can go ahead and change operating systems but it isn't going to fix the fundamental problem, if you know what I mean.
    - jen20 4y ago
      Actually it would fix the problem. No other operating system forces updates whenever the fuck it feels like, and people should not accept this as a fait accompli. Also; where the do you live such that there isn’t a grace period on registration renewal? Do you think a car just stops working when that happens in the middle of your commute to work?
      - ThrowawayR2 4y ago
        > "Actually it would fix the problem." "Whoosh", as the kids these days say. > "Also; where the do you live such that there isn’t a grace period on registration renewal?" There's a grace period for forced reboots for Windows updates too and these users blithely ignored that. So what's your point?

jen20 4y ago

It doesn’t matter how long it takes if it elects to do it when you want to do something else. Computers are our servants not our managers. Choosing to do something which can neither be deferred or cancelled is unforgivable.

martin_a 4y ago
> which can neither be deferred or cancelled You can defer it. Update and reboot? Update and shutdown? Reboot/Shutdown without updating now? All three are possible, so it's fine.
- jen20 4y ago
  I have absolutely seen updates which may not be deferred or refused - and indeed the original post this in this thread details one.
  - martin_a 4y ago
    Yeah, but I'm not refering to the original post but to complaints that Windows updates will take hours of your productive time each month for nothing. That's simply not true.
    - jen20 4y ago
      It doesn't matter whether it is hours or one minute, it's unacceptable. A sibling comment here describes how a Windows update started in the middle of a presentation someone was giving, which indicates quite clearly that Windows Updates take productive time away - not just of the user of the computer, but those who were listening also. Again, computers are our servants, not our managers.
jkepler 4y ago
I was at a conference and 5 minutes into the plenary speaker's keynote address, his Windows 10 laptop that he was running his presentation slides from started an obligatory none-cancelable system upgrade. I don't think Microsoft scored any PR points there.
- macintux 4y ago
  Happens to DJs too.
- ThrowawayR2 4y ago
  These posts are perplexing. It's like watching people getting angry because they were pulled over for not renewing their car tabs. - Everyone knows that car tabs have to be renewed by a deadline and everyone knows Windows has forced updates by a deadline. - Everyone knows how to pay to renew their car tabs and everyone knows how to check the Windows update so that it updates when you have free time for it. And if they don't, it's just 5 seconds of Googling to find either. - Everyone knows what is going to happen if they don't renew their car tabs or allow the reboot by a certain date. - Everyone knows that neither the vehicle licensing authorities nor Microsoft is going to change their policies. It doesn't matter what people think the policy ought to be because it isn't that way and they know it. So basically, they picked up a gun, took careful aim at their foot, pulled the trigger, and are shocked and angry that there's a bleeding hole? Sure, they can go ahead and change operating systems but it isn't going to fix the fundamental problem, if you know what I mean.
  - jen20 4y ago
    Actually it would fix the problem. No other operating system forces updates whenever the fuck it feels like, and people should not accept this as a fait accompli. Also; where the do you live such that there isn’t a grace period on registration renewal? Do you think a car just stops working when that happens in the middle of your commute to work?
    - ThrowawayR2 4y ago
      > "Actually it would fix the problem." "Whoosh", as the kids these days say. > "Also; where the do you live such that there isn’t a grace period on registration renewal?" There's a grace period for forced reboots for Windows updates too and these users blithely ignored that. So what's your point?