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Counter argument, the market is getting exactly what they want. It’s just not aligned with what you want them to want. They want fast fashion that lasts a coup

by donatj 4y ago

Counter argument, the market is getting exactly what they want. It’s just not aligned with what you want them to want. They want fast fashion that lasts a couple weeks, because that’s how long fashion trends last, and they want foods that taste good over is healthy. The market is just giving them what they want. And hear me out, if people are going to be throwing clothes out every couple weeks regardless of quality, it's better that they're made as cheaply as possible.

Al-Khwarizmi 4y ago
It's true that the market gives people what they "want", in the sense that they choose to buy that. That's almost a tautology. But most of the time they choose to buy that because they don't have enough information, or they have misleading information. No one wants a pair of pants to ruin the rest of the laundry. And there is food without trans fats that tastes as well if not better, but it's easier to just put trans fats or whatever the next crap product is and not inform the consumer.
- lotsofpulp 4y ago
  In case you are not aware of this concept: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supernormal_stimulus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supernormal_stimulus Pretty much all consumers know excess sugar, carbs, oil, salt, and calories in general are bad for them. Yet they still want to consume them. I went to a party last night where there were several obese healthcare professionals (doctor level). Yet they ate pizza, and one even put ranch dressing on it. The market is selling plenty of healthy food. People do not want it though, for the same reason a dog or other pet will engorge themselves if they were offered unhealthy amounts of easy calories.
yakubin 4y ago
Taste is learnt. Some people consider junk food to taste good only because they’ve been conditioned to eat it when they were growing up. If junk food was not a regular thing in your life, I doubt you’d consider it particularly tasty. Due to health issues when I was a child I couldn’t eat a lot of things at all growing up which for others were just not that healthy. I always ate at home. As a result I don’t consider junk food particularly tasty. Quite the opposite, home-cooked meals made out of raw ingredients are the most delicious thing I can think of. I also have a group of friends a bit older than me who grew up before McDonalds and KFC entered my country. For them too stuff sold by those places isn’t particularly pleasurable to eat. On the other hand I saw plenty of families who these days go to McDonalds every Saturday/Sunday, where the children are conditioned to expect regular visits to those places and will make a huge drama if it doesn’t happen. If you’re in US, from what I’ve heard even normal food in supermarkets is already more processed and the fresh stuff may somehow even be more expensive, so that’s a whole other can of worms.

by donatj 4y ago

Al-Khwarizmi 4y ago

It's true that the market gives people what they "want", in the sense that they choose to buy that. That's almost a tautology. But most of the time they choose to buy that because they don't have enough information, or they have misleading information. No one wants a pair of pants to ruin the rest of the laundry. And there is food without trans fats that tastes as well if not better, but it's easier to just put trans fats or whatever the next crap product is and not inform the consumer.

lotsofpulp 4y ago
In case you are not aware of this concept: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supernormal_stimulus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supernormal_stimulus Pretty much all consumers know excess sugar, carbs, oil, salt, and calories in general are bad for them. Yet they still want to consume them. I went to a party last night where there were several obese healthcare professionals (doctor level). Yet they ate pizza, and one even put ranch dressing on it. The market is selling plenty of healthy food. People do not want it though, for the same reason a dog or other pet will engorge themselves if they were offered unhealthy amounts of easy calories.

yakubin 4y ago

Taste is learnt. Some people consider junk food to taste good only because they’ve been conditioned to eat it when they were growing up. If junk food was not a regular thing in your life, I doubt you’d consider it particularly tasty. Due to health issues when I was a child I couldn’t eat a lot of things at all growing up which for others were just not that healthy. I always ate at home. As a result I don’t consider junk food particularly tasty. Quite the opposite, home-cooked meals made out of raw ingredients are the most delicious thing I can think of. I also have a group of friends a bit older than me who grew up before McDonalds and KFC entered my country. For them too stuff sold by those places isn’t particularly pleasurable to eat. On the other hand I saw plenty of families who these days go to McDonalds every Saturday/Sunday, where the children are conditioned to expect regular visits to those places and will make a huge drama if it doesn’t happen. If you’re in US, from what I’ve heard even normal food in supermarkets is already more processed and the fresh stuff may somehow even be more expensive, so that’s a whole other can of worms.