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You denounce their pronouncement but what have you added to the discussion with your comment? The explosions benefit Russia because it gives them cover for a p

You denounce their pronouncement but what have you added to the discussion with your comment? The explosions benefit Russia because it gives them cover for a permanent stop to supplying Germany with gas, something that was already a given because Germany would never buy gas from Russia again due to their atrocities in the war. In the Russians' mind it gives them the "moral high ground" rather than humiliation and makes out the West to be the villain. This is typical Russian logic. On the other side there is no rational reason for the West to destroy the pipelines, outside of strained conspiracy theories that the US wanted to stop Germany from buying gas from Russia and buy it from the US, which was already happening. Nevermind that the risk/reward of such an action would be stupid for the US and that it has other, much safer ways to achieve the same result.

tuatoru 4y ago
It does not benefit Russia. It benefits Putin by removing a motivation for other Moscow elites to depose him. They can't make a deal with Europe to turn the gas back on in exchange for Europe supporting their new regime. Ordinary Russians need an income.
- hdjjhhvvhga 4y ago
  What is happening is that the thin line between Putin and Russians gets more and more blurred. When the war broke out in 24 February, there were a few protests, but they were quite scarce, and the opinion polls presented in Western media showed that Russians support Putin's war. Now after the mobilization things changed a bit, but it's very clear that many Russians, even well-educated, have soaked in a lot of what is being constantly broadcast in state media: that Ukrainians are subhuman Nazis that have been killing Russians for 8 years so Russia has no choice but save the children. When you think of it, it's really sad. Because now that Russians have clearly realized that this is not any "special operation" but a real war, their war, and that they are going to die in it, it's already too late - it's even difficult to escape these days if you don't have ample resources.
muchtest 4y ago
- dkjaudyeqooe 4y ago
  Where is the xenophobia? It's a fact amply illustrated by their pronouncements made during the war and recent history, and standard KGB fare. You still haven't providing any counterargument to my points other than a ad-hominem attack.
- hdjjhhvvhga 4y ago
  > Nice Xenophobia I think it a bit self-contradictory that the Russian media always accuse the West of being Russophobic and at the same time air programs like this one: https://nitter.net/JuliaDavisNews/status/1584054018145685504 https://nitter.net/JuliaDavisNews/status/1584054018145685504
thwayca 4y ago
> In the Russians' mind it gives them the "moral high ground" rather than humiliation and makes out the West to be the villain. This is typical Russian logic. I am not a Russian, but would highly advise you to carefully choose your words about any nation and their beliefs/logic. > On the other side there is no rational reason for the West to destroy the pipelines If you can't find reason, doesn't mean there is no reason. I could also ask same question there was no reason for NATO expansion because war ended, no reason for EU/US not to support diplomatic actions, instead of pushing to the war.
lr1970 4y ago
> The explosions benefit Russia because it gives them cover for a permanent stop to supplying Germany with gas, Russia is still supplying gas to Europe (and indirectly to Germany) through Ukrainian pipelines that operate normally. Despite all the carnage of war neither side attacked the pipelines. War is war and business is business.
geysersam 4y ago
> no rational reason for the West to destroy the pipelines, outside of strained conspiracy theories that the US wanted to stop Germany from buying gas from Russia and buy it from the US What makes it strained? Even if Germany didn't buy gas, and wasn't planning to buy gas, that could change any time. Now it cannot. The gas shortage in Europe has only just begun. We will suffer from it over the next several years, Germany more than most. Saying there was never any chance of a change of policy in Germany is not serious.

tuatoru 4y ago

It does not benefit Russia. It benefits Putin by removing a motivation for other Moscow elites to depose him. They can't make a deal with Europe to turn the gas back on in exchange for Europe supporting their new regime. Ordinary Russians need an income.

hdjjhhvvhga 4y ago
What is happening is that the thin line between Putin and Russians gets more and more blurred. When the war broke out in 24 February, there were a few protests, but they were quite scarce, and the opinion polls presented in Western media showed that Russians support Putin's war. Now after the mobilization things changed a bit, but it's very clear that many Russians, even well-educated, have soaked in a lot of what is being constantly broadcast in state media: that Ukrainians are subhuman Nazis that have been killing Russians for 8 years so Russia has no choice but save the children. When you think of it, it's really sad. Because now that Russians have clearly realized that this is not any "special operation" but a real war, their war, and that they are going to die in it, it's already too late - it's even difficult to escape these days if you don't have ample resources.

muchtest 4y ago

dkjaudyeqooe 4y ago
Where is the xenophobia? It's a fact amply illustrated by their pronouncements made during the war and recent history, and standard KGB fare. You still haven't providing any counterargument to my points other than a ad-hominem attack.
hdjjhhvvhga 4y ago
> Nice Xenophobia I think it a bit self-contradictory that the Russian media always accuse the West of being Russophobic and at the same time air programs like this one: https://nitter.net/JuliaDavisNews/status/1584054018145685504 https://nitter.net/JuliaDavisNews/status/1584054018145685504

thwayca 4y ago

> In the Russians' mind it gives them the "moral high ground" rather than humiliation and makes out the West to be the villain. This is typical Russian logic. I am not a Russian, but would highly advise you to carefully choose your words about any nation and their beliefs/logic. > On the other side there is no rational reason for the West to destroy the pipelines If you can't find reason, doesn't mean there is no reason. I could also ask same question there was no reason for NATO expansion because war ended, no reason for EU/US not to support diplomatic actions, instead of pushing to the war.

lr1970 4y ago

> The explosions benefit Russia because it gives them cover for a permanent stop to supplying Germany with gas, Russia is still supplying gas to Europe (and indirectly to Germany) through Ukrainian pipelines that operate normally. Despite all the carnage of war neither side attacked the pipelines. War is war and business is business.

geysersam 4y ago

> no rational reason for the West to destroy the pipelines, outside of strained conspiracy theories that the US wanted to stop Germany from buying gas from Russia and buy it from the US What makes it strained? Even if Germany didn't buy gas, and wasn't planning to buy gas, that could change any time. Now it cannot. The gas shortage in Europe has only just begun. We will suffer from it over the next several years, Germany more than most. Saying there was never any chance of a change of policy in Germany is not serious.