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On the other hand, my very high end work-issued Lenovo laptop came with zero crapware installed. Only one Lenovo support tool which I used when I needed and has

by thefz 4y ago

On the other hand, my very high end work-issued Lenovo laptop came with zero crapware installed. Only one Lenovo support tool which I used when I needed and has never bothered me ever. I think this problem is more with the consumer line. I've been in the same situation as OP before though with computers from parents and friends, and it's unbearable. A straight reinstall of Windows after buy is the only viable option. I had to diagnose a not-so-old pc sold with all kinds of crap installed, 4GB of RAM, Windows 10 and a rotating 5400HDD thrashing all the time.

tyingq 4y ago
>I think this problem is more with the consumer line. That's my experience as well. So if you need a cheap Windows laptop, a used corporate class laptop is often a better path than a cheap new consumer class one.
- TeMPOraL 4y ago
  I'd argue used corporate class laptop is a better choice at all price points.
jeroenhd 4y ago
> I think this problem is more with the consumer line. Not even all of their consumer products are bad. It's often the cheap (sub $600) laptops that I suspect gets subsidised by the crapware that comes preinstalled. When people ask me for recommendations for a laptop for around $400, I always say "second hand" or "save up a bit longer" because these days spending less than $600 is often a recipe for disaster.
- sbuk 4y ago
  > When people ask me for recommendations for a laptop for around $400, I always say "second hand" or "save up a bit longer" because these days spending less than $600 is often a recipe for disaster. This is the best advice you can give, but I'd include the option of an iPad/Chromebook. And even with a Chromebook anything <$300 is asking for trouble. Realistically, a decent laptop that will be performant and cheap that is well made doesn't exist. You're looking at ~$800 before you get get anything relyable.

by thefz 4y ago

tyingq 4y ago

>I think this problem is more with the consumer line. That's my experience as well. So if you need a cheap Windows laptop, a used corporate class laptop is often a better path than a cheap new consumer class one.

TeMPOraL 4y ago
I'd argue used corporate class laptop is a better choice at all price points.

jeroenhd 4y ago

> I think this problem is more with the consumer line. Not even all of their consumer products are bad. It's often the cheap (sub $600) laptops that I suspect gets subsidised by the crapware that comes preinstalled. When people ask me for recommendations for a laptop for around $400, I always say "second hand" or "save up a bit longer" because these days spending less than $600 is often a recipe for disaster.

sbuk 4y ago
> When people ask me for recommendations for a laptop for around $400, I always say "second hand" or "save up a bit longer" because these days spending less than $600 is often a recipe for disaster. This is the best advice you can give, but I'd include the option of an iPad/Chromebook. And even with a Chromebook anything <$300 is asking for trouble. Realistically, a decent laptop that will be performant and cheap that is well made doesn't exist. You're looking at ~$800 before you get get anything relyable.