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Since the objective of learning switched from acquiring knowledge and build competencies to cather to emotional needs of different groups, and since when every

Since the objective of learning switched from acquiring knowledge and build competencies to cather to emotional needs of different groups, and since when every participant gets a prize no matter what he/she does to not make him/her being left behind, I am not surprised at all of the outcome. Since the western society does not want to change the way learning is done, the path will lead us downwards. The only chance as a parent to build a better future for your own child is to fight the system and help the child learn. The decline in learning is yet another example of politics ruining things that work in the society.

inglor 4y ago
Or... you know, we go with the data. The data shows improvement until 2019 and then a decline in 2020/2021 coinciding with COVID, lockdowns and inability to attend schools physically. The global pandemic seems like a much better explanation to the data the article is showing.
- moffkalast 4y ago
  You're saying it's the two years when kids almost entirely paused schooling to any notable degree because they had no local oversight, and not the participatory trophy nonsense that boomers have been complaining about for the past 20 years despite them being the ones that made it a thing in the first place? I'm shocked! Shocked I tell you!
eesmith 4y ago
This might make sense if: 1) I hadn't heard people making exactly the same argument since I was a kid in the 1970s, 2) I've read even older accounts making identical claims, 3) there was no correlation with covid, 4) western society hadn't actually had many changes over the last 150 years in the way learning is done. (My grandfather's high school education was very different than mine, as I describe out https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25574534 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25574534 .), and 5) education in the US, except of the children of the rich, has always been intimately connected with politics. If there were a golden era where education wasn't ruined, then it was because of politics.
- tstrimple 4y ago
  WRT point 1: > "The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers." > ~ Socrates One human constant seems to be thinking that future generations are the worst.
QuadmasterXLII 4y ago
Can you be more specific? which ‘different group’ has an ‘emotional need’ that prevents learning math concepts?
- PubliusMI 4y ago
  https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/12/08/racism-our-curriculums-isnt-limited-history-its-math-too/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/12/08/racism-our...

inglor 4y ago

Or... you know, we go with the data. The data shows improvement until 2019 and then a decline in 2020/2021 coinciding with COVID, lockdowns and inability to attend schools physically. The global pandemic seems like a much better explanation to the data the article is showing.

moffkalast 4y ago
You're saying it's the two years when kids almost entirely paused schooling to any notable degree because they had no local oversight, and not the participatory trophy nonsense that boomers have been complaining about for the past 20 years despite them being the ones that made it a thing in the first place? I'm shocked! Shocked I tell you!

eesmith 4y ago

This might make sense if: 1) I hadn't heard people making exactly the same argument since I was a kid in the 1970s, 2) I've read even older accounts making identical claims, 3) there was no correlation with covid, 4) western society hadn't actually had many changes over the last 150 years in the way learning is done. (My grandfather's high school education was very different than mine, as I describe out https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25574534 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25574534 .), and 5) education in the US, except of the children of the rich, has always been intimately connected with politics. If there were a golden era where education wasn't ruined, then it was because of politics.

tstrimple 4y ago
WRT point 1: > "The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers." > ~ Socrates One human constant seems to be thinking that future generations are the worst.

QuadmasterXLII 4y ago

Can you be more specific? which ‘different group’ has an ‘emotional need’ that prevents learning math concepts?

PubliusMI 4y ago
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/12/08/racism-our-curriculums-isnt-limited-history-its-math-too/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/12/08/racism-our...