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This is the first I've heard of such a position. But I do think that remote learning home-schooling with adequate supervision can be comparable. My understandi

This is the first I've heard of such a position. But I do think that remote learning home-schooling with adequate supervision can be comparable. My understanding is that home-schooling with private tutors > the typical school environment > remote learning without supervision.

kajaktum 4y ago
>My understanding is that home-schooling with private tutors > the typical school environment > remote learning without supervision. In pure academics, maybe. What about your children's social/well-being from not interacting with their peers?
- Foobar8568 4y ago
  Have you seen today kids? Well-being is to be far away from them.
  - yywwbbn 4y ago
    I don’t know. Kids to today seem to be generally nicer than those in the past.
- nine_k 4y ago
  Some peers are a pain to interact with, so results may be mixed. Also, some communities, like online games, provide serious amounts of social interaction set around reaching a common goal to willing peers.
  - kingkawn 4y ago
    Online interactions do not come close to the bandwidth of stimulus from irl engagement with other people
- matheusmoreira 4y ago
  > What about your children's social/well-being from not interacting with their peers? I don't know. It seems like there's plenty of kids suffering at school precisely because they have to interact with other kids. Getting bullied at school is probably something almost everyone's experienced at some point.
  - sweezyjeezy 4y ago
    I was bullied, but find it hard to believe that not interacting with kids was the solution. The root cause of the bullying (from my side) was because at the time my social skills were lagging behind my peers', and I don't regret not being taken out of that situation.
    - DSingularity 4y ago
      The results of bullying vary I guess
    - klibertp 4y ago
      Stockholm syndrome? There's really no excusable "cause" for bullying; it's like saying you don't regret getting raped because, at the time, your sexual drive was lagging behind your peers. That's a rationalization and a way to cope with trauma for the victim. From the other side it's simply blaming the victim.
      - sweezyjeezy 4y ago
        I'm in no way grateful that I was bullied, I didn't enjoy my school years. But part of the reason why I was singled out for bullying was because I spent a lot of my school years buried in math books rather than being with my peers. When I started to understand how badly behind I was socially at around age 14, I started to make the changes necessary to catch up. This meant talking and listening to to the kids at my school a lot more. I didn't realise this because of the bullying, but they were clearly related. The bullying was damaging I agree, but I think taking me out of school completely would have been so much more harmful.
- q-big 4y ago
  > What about your children's social/well-being from not interacting with their peers? With "social skills", you mean either tolerating bullying or becoming a bully? (Compulsary) school is a prison, so the only social skills that children learn in school are about surviving in this prison.
  - Nextgrid 4y ago
    Society is a compulsory prison too, and even in adulthood you can't always run away from a situation, so being able to survive in a suboptimal environment is a worthwhile skill. Even if we assume you had unlimited money and could literally buy an island and live on it, you will still have to deal with bullies - just that they will generally have much more resources and will be less shy in resorting to violence or significant crime. Not saying this is right, but you can't change the world (neither as a parent nor as a kid), so adaptation is the best strategy.
- chasd00 4y ago
  There’s lots of social activity available for homeschoolers. Field trips, athletics, and lot of other stuff geared for social development. Homeschool parents are usually very connected to each other and make sure there’s lots of social time for their kids.
- klibertp 4y ago
  There are group activities you can take part in that have nothing to do with school. Actually, you should take part in it anyway, but with private tutors you have much more time to spend with a peer group of your choice. Not sure how scouting works elsewhere, but in my country it is well organized, more or less well funded, teaches a lot of very useful skills, and most of all gathers kids who want to be there. You have to actually experience it to feel how huge is the difference in atmosphere in a group like this versus one where participants are forced to attend. Private tutors are the best there is and you won't beat it. Whatever is lacking, can and should be supplemented. It doesn't even need to be a 1-1 with a tutor: 3-5 kids are still a manageable group. 25-1 or sometimes 35-1 is absolutely horrible and it shows in the results. Remote learning without help and care (honestly, "supervision"? The heck? Are they your child or inmates serving time for the crime of being born?) is obviously even worse than going to school. So, to my eyes, the GP got it right with that quote.
cm2187 4y ago
If you have teachers coming to your mansion, all you have done is to build a personal private school. Completely out of reach to 98% of the population.
- crummy 4y ago
  It's one tutor, Michael. How much can it cost, $100,000?
  - thaumasiotes 4y ago
    As with the banana, tutors are much cheaper than that.
- roenxi 4y ago
  The typical student:teacher ration is what, 25:1? 1:1 is a lot better (around 25x, probably) but this is all just on a spectrum. I'd wager that 25 parents banding together to hire a tutor might outperform a typical classroom, if it was a biased sample towards people who care. I'd trust my parents and a group of like-minded parents to pick out a good educator better than the typical teacher, teachers aren't the sort of people I would recommend to teach children how to think.
- _aavaa_ 4y ago
  That is what home-schooling is, a personal private school. Whether the person doing the teaching is paid for it doesn't change that.
  - cm2187 4y ago
    Well, that's my point, private tutors is effectively a private school. But the vast majority of families can't afford it (either cannot pay for a tutor or cannot afford not to have both parents working, when there are two parents). Remote learning is not though.
- msmenardi 4y ago
  "Private tutors" can be anything from an after-school karate class to visiting a piano teacher's house for an hour of instruction. It doesn't have to be solely for elite people.

kajaktum 4y ago

>My understanding is that home-schooling with private tutors > the typical school environment > remote learning without supervision. In pure academics, maybe. What about your children's social/well-being from not interacting with their peers?

Foobar8568 4y ago
Have you seen today kids? Well-being is to be far away from them.
- yywwbbn 4y ago
  I don’t know. Kids to today seem to be generally nicer than those in the past.
nine_k 4y ago
Some peers are a pain to interact with, so results may be mixed. Also, some communities, like online games, provide serious amounts of social interaction set around reaching a common goal to willing peers.
- kingkawn 4y ago
  Online interactions do not come close to the bandwidth of stimulus from irl engagement with other people
matheusmoreira 4y ago
> What about your children's social/well-being from not interacting with their peers? I don't know. It seems like there's plenty of kids suffering at school precisely because they have to interact with other kids. Getting bullied at school is probably something almost everyone's experienced at some point.
- sweezyjeezy 4y ago
  I was bullied, but find it hard to believe that not interacting with kids was the solution. The root cause of the bullying (from my side) was because at the time my social skills were lagging behind my peers', and I don't regret not being taken out of that situation.
  - DSingularity 4y ago
    The results of bullying vary I guess
  - klibertp 4y ago
    Stockholm syndrome? There's really no excusable "cause" for bullying; it's like saying you don't regret getting raped because, at the time, your sexual drive was lagging behind your peers. That's a rationalization and a way to cope with trauma for the victim. From the other side it's simply blaming the victim.
    - sweezyjeezy 4y ago
      I'm in no way grateful that I was bullied, I didn't enjoy my school years. But part of the reason why I was singled out for bullying was because I spent a lot of my school years buried in math books rather than being with my peers. When I started to understand how badly behind I was socially at around age 14, I started to make the changes necessary to catch up. This meant talking and listening to to the kids at my school a lot more. I didn't realise this because of the bullying, but they were clearly related. The bullying was damaging I agree, but I think taking me out of school completely would have been so much more harmful.
q-big 4y ago
> What about your children's social/well-being from not interacting with their peers? With "social skills", you mean either tolerating bullying or becoming a bully? (Compulsary) school is a prison, so the only social skills that children learn in school are about surviving in this prison.
- Nextgrid 4y ago
  Society is a compulsory prison too, and even in adulthood you can't always run away from a situation, so being able to survive in a suboptimal environment is a worthwhile skill. Even if we assume you had unlimited money and could literally buy an island and live on it, you will still have to deal with bullies - just that they will generally have much more resources and will be less shy in resorting to violence or significant crime. Not saying this is right, but you can't change the world (neither as a parent nor as a kid), so adaptation is the best strategy.
chasd00 4y ago
There’s lots of social activity available for homeschoolers. Field trips, athletics, and lot of other stuff geared for social development. Homeschool parents are usually very connected to each other and make sure there’s lots of social time for their kids.
klibertp 4y ago
There are group activities you can take part in that have nothing to do with school. Actually, you should take part in it anyway, but with private tutors you have much more time to spend with a peer group of your choice. Not sure how scouting works elsewhere, but in my country it is well organized, more or less well funded, teaches a lot of very useful skills, and most of all gathers kids who want to be there. You have to actually experience it to feel how huge is the difference in atmosphere in a group like this versus one where participants are forced to attend. Private tutors are the best there is and you won't beat it. Whatever is lacking, can and should be supplemented. It doesn't even need to be a 1-1 with a tutor: 3-5 kids are still a manageable group. 25-1 or sometimes 35-1 is absolutely horrible and it shows in the results. Remote learning without help and care (honestly, "supervision"? The heck? Are they your child or inmates serving time for the crime of being born?) is obviously even worse than going to school. So, to my eyes, the GP got it right with that quote.

cm2187 4y ago

If you have teachers coming to your mansion, all you have done is to build a personal private school. Completely out of reach to 98% of the population.

crummy 4y ago
It's one tutor, Michael. How much can it cost, $100,000?
- thaumasiotes 4y ago
  As with the banana, tutors are much cheaper than that.
roenxi 4y ago
The typical student:teacher ration is what, 25:1? 1:1 is a lot better (around 25x, probably) but this is all just on a spectrum. I'd wager that 25 parents banding together to hire a tutor might outperform a typical classroom, if it was a biased sample towards people who care. I'd trust my parents and a group of like-minded parents to pick out a good educator better than the typical teacher, teachers aren't the sort of people I would recommend to teach children how to think.
_aavaa_ 4y ago
That is what home-schooling is, a personal private school. Whether the person doing the teaching is paid for it doesn't change that.
- cm2187 4y ago
  Well, that's my point, private tutors is effectively a private school. But the vast majority of families can't afford it (either cannot pay for a tutor or cannot afford not to have both parents working, when there are two parents). Remote learning is not though.
msmenardi 4y ago
"Private tutors" can be anything from an after-school karate class to visiting a piano teacher's house for an hour of instruction. It doesn't have to be solely for elite people.