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It's interesting that we consider people waking up later in the day to be the lazy ones, and not the people going to sleep early to be the lazy ones. I've still

by ehnto 4y ago

It's interesting that we consider people waking up later in the day to be the lazy ones, and not the people going to sleep early to be the lazy ones. I've still got heaps I can get done, and you're in bed? Lazy sod! I think we should all get up after a healthy amount of sleep, and leave some wiggle room in there for nights where sleep didn't go to plan.

Gigachad 4y ago
It doesn’t really matter what time you get up, the most important thing is that it’s consistent every day. What I have observed is that people who wake up later tend to be all over the place for schedule.
- ehnto 4y ago
  It's very difficult for me to sleep well, so I naturally end up with a marching sleep schedule. To compound that issue, if I get 8 hours of sleep I am usually wide awake even after 16 hours. So your observation rings true here, but having a routine doesn't help unfortunately. I've had 9-5s for years at a time, so I can pretty fairly say that getting up at the same time every day and trying to fall asleep at the same time every day just doesn't work for me. I end up laying in bed for hours awake, wasted time. A 9-5 for me looks like 8hrs sleep, 6hrs, 5hrs, 4hrs, 8hrs, 6hrs, 5hrs, 4hrs... etc. For what it's worth, I have a good diet, I go to the gym 4-5 times a week, and I spend hours outdoors and walking during the week. If anything, it just gives me even more energy and focus.
  - 411111111111111 4y ago
    I know the feeling, nonetheless it's good to keep in mind that falling asleep is ultimately something that can be trained as proven by people in the military since forever. You're not so much a nightowl as you're a person that cba to change what you've naturally gravitated towards because of your lifestyle. Which is fine as far as I'm concerned, i just dislike this victims perspective wrt sleeping patterns immensely. And just to be even more clear: I'm aware that there are biological sleeping disorders that actually makes sleep challenging. they're generally not what people have if they're self identifying as night owls however.
    - ehnto 4y ago
      I do have some things I do to help me sleep, one I learned from a veteran, it helps in certain scenarios, but I'm also not in the military so I don't actually need to be that regimented. There certainly can be a woe is me attitude attached to it, but many people aren't feeling like victims, me included, they're just telling you what they prefer and how they'd rather set up their life. I prefer not to be so laser focused on regimented sleep as I find it's just not useful. For my job it doesn't matter if I'm there at 9 on the dot, but it does matter if I have my wits about me, so I need to make sure I get enough sleep rather than sleep at the right time.
- conductr 4y ago
  That’s because they’re trying to conform to a day schedule. They weren’t ready to wake for the day and now they’re disorganized. Morning people have chill time to drink coffee, work out and read the news/emails. I know because Waking up before 10am is tough for me regardless. Before 8am and my day is ruined. Before 7am and I probably will climb into bed before eating dinner. Something about it is draining all day long. On the other hand, if I wake after 10am I’m super energetic all my waking hours and will even stay up most of the night. I probably only need 6-7 hours of sleep instead of 8-10. Rarely I get to choose my schedule and it always reverts to full nocturnal. I will sleep from 10am-4pm and all is well. I don’t see it happening again until my kid gets older. But that’s my firmware.
  - cassianoleal 4y ago
    I'm similar. I can function perfectly and have a lot of energy and brain focus if I sleep 3:00/4:00 to 10:00 consistently. I will have a half wasted day if I wake up before 9:00 even if I slept 8-10h that night. This is true even for a single night. I don't need a lot of sleep. I need the right sleep. I have been months on a consistent 5h30min-6h per night and feeling great. Working out a lot with little to no injuries and quick recoveries, and getting a lot of work done.
- jedberg 4y ago
  During the early pandemic I was very consistent. I woke up every day at 11am and went to bed around 4am-5am. But that was because I was running my own business and the only person I had to interact with was my partner, so we just set our daily meeting at 1pm. The kids would wake up around 11am as well and go to bed around 2am. Sadly I live in a society of mostly morning-birds so I can't do that anymore. Kids have to be in school early, meetings start early, etc, etc.
- jen20 4y ago
  Why does that matter? And why does being “all over the place for schedule” matter, assuming you don’t have a flight to catch? This sounds very much to me like the voice of the American puritan which is still very much alive, well, and the reason other people cannot have nice things.
ycombinete 4y ago
Most modern civilisations have grown out of agrarian ones, where this is a fair prejudice.
pelasaco 4y ago
The issue isn't people waking up later, but getting out of the bed 1 minute before the meeting. If you have your first daily at 10:00, you don't have to wake up 9:59, but maybe 9:00 and get mentally ready to work.
- ehnto 4y ago
  I think it's contextual, there are meetings where my presence is all that's needed from me, and after that I have plenty of time to mentally prepare for work. Of course if I have a meeting with a client or something like that, I would want to be up, showered and have any notes, docs and context prepped.

by ehnto 4y ago

Gigachad 4y ago

It doesn’t really matter what time you get up, the most important thing is that it’s consistent every day. What I have observed is that people who wake up later tend to be all over the place for schedule.

ehnto 4y ago
It's very difficult for me to sleep well, so I naturally end up with a marching sleep schedule. To compound that issue, if I get 8 hours of sleep I am usually wide awake even after 16 hours. So your observation rings true here, but having a routine doesn't help unfortunately. I've had 9-5s for years at a time, so I can pretty fairly say that getting up at the same time every day and trying to fall asleep at the same time every day just doesn't work for me. I end up laying in bed for hours awake, wasted time. A 9-5 for me looks like 8hrs sleep, 6hrs, 5hrs, 4hrs, 8hrs, 6hrs, 5hrs, 4hrs... etc. For what it's worth, I have a good diet, I go to the gym 4-5 times a week, and I spend hours outdoors and walking during the week. If anything, it just gives me even more energy and focus.
- 411111111111111 4y ago
  I know the feeling, nonetheless it's good to keep in mind that falling asleep is ultimately something that can be trained as proven by people in the military since forever. You're not so much a nightowl as you're a person that cba to change what you've naturally gravitated towards because of your lifestyle. Which is fine as far as I'm concerned, i just dislike this victims perspective wrt sleeping patterns immensely. And just to be even more clear: I'm aware that there are biological sleeping disorders that actually makes sleep challenging. they're generally not what people have if they're self identifying as night owls however.
  - ehnto 4y ago
    I do have some things I do to help me sleep, one I learned from a veteran, it helps in certain scenarios, but I'm also not in the military so I don't actually need to be that regimented. There certainly can be a woe is me attitude attached to it, but many people aren't feeling like victims, me included, they're just telling you what they prefer and how they'd rather set up their life. I prefer not to be so laser focused on regimented sleep as I find it's just not useful. For my job it doesn't matter if I'm there at 9 on the dot, but it does matter if I have my wits about me, so I need to make sure I get enough sleep rather than sleep at the right time.
conductr 4y ago
That’s because they’re trying to conform to a day schedule. They weren’t ready to wake for the day and now they’re disorganized. Morning people have chill time to drink coffee, work out and read the news/emails. I know because Waking up before 10am is tough for me regardless. Before 8am and my day is ruined. Before 7am and I probably will climb into bed before eating dinner. Something about it is draining all day long. On the other hand, if I wake after 10am I’m super energetic all my waking hours and will even stay up most of the night. I probably only need 6-7 hours of sleep instead of 8-10. Rarely I get to choose my schedule and it always reverts to full nocturnal. I will sleep from 10am-4pm and all is well. I don’t see it happening again until my kid gets older. But that’s my firmware.
- cassianoleal 4y ago
  I'm similar. I can function perfectly and have a lot of energy and brain focus if I sleep 3:00/4:00 to 10:00 consistently. I will have a half wasted day if I wake up before 9:00 even if I slept 8-10h that night. This is true even for a single night. I don't need a lot of sleep. I need the right sleep. I have been months on a consistent 5h30min-6h per night and feeling great. Working out a lot with little to no injuries and quick recoveries, and getting a lot of work done.
jedberg 4y ago
During the early pandemic I was very consistent. I woke up every day at 11am and went to bed around 4am-5am. But that was because I was running my own business and the only person I had to interact with was my partner, so we just set our daily meeting at 1pm. The kids would wake up around 11am as well and go to bed around 2am. Sadly I live in a society of mostly morning-birds so I can't do that anymore. Kids have to be in school early, meetings start early, etc, etc.
jen20 4y ago
Why does that matter? And why does being “all over the place for schedule” matter, assuming you don’t have a flight to catch? This sounds very much to me like the voice of the American puritan which is still very much alive, well, and the reason other people cannot have nice things.

ycombinete 4y ago

Most modern civilisations have grown out of agrarian ones, where this is a fair prejudice.

pelasaco 4y ago

The issue isn't people waking up later, but getting out of the bed 1 minute before the meeting. If you have your first daily at 10:00, you don't have to wake up 9:59, but maybe 9:00 and get mentally ready to work.

ehnto 4y ago
I think it's contextual, there are meetings where my presence is all that's needed from me, and after that I have plenty of time to mentally prepare for work. Of course if I have a meeting with a client or something like that, I would want to be up, showered and have any notes, docs and context prepped.