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> Coding 100 days straight with no breaks isn’t good for anyone. Why? I've done that and it has been amazing for me. I don't want other people telling me what'

> Coding 100 days straight with no breaks isn’t good for anyone. Why? I've done that and it has been amazing for me. I don't want other people telling me what's good or not. Absolute statements like this is just social malaise and not based in objectivity in the slightest. The current social bandwagon can be summarized as: “Work is bad. Hard work is toxic. Perseverance is not healthy”. HN is just reflecting r/antiwork ethics. Complete and utter social non-sense. People have just stopped thinking for themselves.

BoorishBears 4y ago
> Why? Well one might start to excessively think like a computer! For example, most humans can account for the imprecise nature of language and understand that "for anyone" doesn't necessarily mean every individual human on earth, but rather a sizeable portion of people. And "isn't good" is speaking relative to the poster's ideas rather than them claiming to have determined an absolute measure of the term "good". - But a computer struggles with such fuzzy constraints and falls back to the most literal interpretation of any statement. At which point the GPT-3 model the computer is running might regurgitate some overreaction by jumping from someone essentially saying: "everything in moderation" to interpreting it as an attack on hard work and good work ethics.
- adamisom 4y ago
  This is an unfair attack. Choosing "for anyone" instead of another phrase does indeed carry meaning. You're both finding more meaning than is justified. A little wobble in imprecision from martin led to a bigger one in systemvoltage, led to a bigger one in you. (A better ending sentence from martin might've been "We don't want to incentivize 100-day streaks." But that has its own, orthogonal downsides--oh, GitHub's in the business of setting incentives? Uh oh... So all in all, I think I understand his choice of phrasing.)
  - systemvoltage 4y ago
    I’m just generally fed up of antiwork culture here. We are teaching youngsters to never persevere and push themselves to the limit, ensuring they’ll never realize their full potential and spiraling downwards in a low quality life of lethargy and resentment towards those who succeed. I thought this is “Hacker News”. The tone here has slid significantly in last 5 years. Folks like Martin apologizing indirectly.
    - WarChortle 4y ago
      > We are teaching youngsters to never persevere and push themselves to the limit, ensuring they’ll never realize their full potential and spiraling downwards in a low quality life of lethargy and resentment towards those who succeed. I think you vastly misunderstand the entire point of antiwork. Its not saying go sit on a couch all day. Its to recognize you have a life outside of work and its okay if work isn't your driving factor in life. You can learn to persevere and push yourself many many ways. Work is not the only way. Not excelling at your job does not mean you are lethargic and resentful. Success is measured many different ways, by many different people. You seem to measure it by how hard you work, that's great. Doesn't mean everyone has too.
      - systemvoltage 4y ago
        No, it’s just a toxic destructive culture that’s destroying lives. I’m not convinced, I tried to see the best in what you’re saying.
        WarChortle 4y ago
        How? If I do what is asked of me and no more, then go spend my free time with my family, or go hiking, or do a million other fun, fulling things I could enjoy. How is that destructive?
        systemvoltage 4y ago
        I meant what you’re saying is normal and great; but that’s not the antiwork culture and does not describe it accurately. I have an extremely cynical view of it and I’m convinced that’s people don’t have the best intentions. Not a single comment on HN in last few years encourage hard work and mentally exhausting yourself. Your brain is far more capable than the current zeitgeist tells you. We are raising a generation that will revel in lethargy and smoking weed all day.
  - BoorishBears 4y ago
    This would be unfair if they didn't springboard into: > The current social bandwagon can be summarized as: “Work is bad. Hard work is toxic. Perseverance is not healthy”. HN is just reflecting r/antiwork ethics. Complete and utter social non-sense. People have just stopped thinking for themselves. This is generally not even-keeled behavior. "Everything in moderation" dates back to 6 BC. This was clearly an reinterpretation of that basic idea. No reason to hop into a tirade into the death of hard work or something.
metafunctor 4y ago
Gamifying non stop daily “contributions” does not seem healthy to me. I work 5 days per week. I may not commit every day. Typically I will, except when I'm ill, or my close family is seriously ill, or there's a funeral, wedding, holiday, etc. So, life gets in the way, I guess. If you're compelled to work all the time, every day, for months on end, good for you I guess. But I wouldn't skip my life to satisfy any KPI. I will, however, persevere. I work hard. I do not give up easily. I learn something new all the time. I try to get better every day. I do my best to contribute to my family, my company, my society, and humanity at large. However, life, I've realized, is long. My priorities have shifted over time. In the past, the value I've created in my work has not always ended up where I'd like. If you have all this figured out 100%, then yes, go for it! Don't stop! The rest of us are still figuring it out. Oh, also, I don't work with GitHub at all. Imagine that.
- systemvoltage 4y ago
  Right on, this is the spirit. Committing yourself to a goal, like learning piano or not missing a single day at the gym is a great “gamification” motivation. That doesn’t mean you have to miss a funeral or have a complete mental breakdown.
bawolff 4y ago
Did you do it just to get a gold star on github? Like, you should do what works for you, but you should do it for better reasons than getting a streak counter on github.
- systemvoltage 4y ago
  Someone commented about running challenges. Similar. I need a target to achieve and a reason to motivate myself. Frankly speaking, I’m terrible at writing code but I do it for fun.
andrewjl 4y ago
> People have just stopped thinking for themselves. I see the opposite. People are thinking for themselves and are looking at empirical evidence like TFA to boot. Edit: your other comment about needing targets makes me suspect you'd benefit from using a personal task manager that can clearly and tangibly visualize progress if you aren't using one already.
- smaudet 4y ago
  I agree Parent comment seems clueless... I learnt early to task things out, in my head/notes. Graphical representation seems like a crutch to me. Specifically regarding 100 days of coding - with truly zero breaks yes this is ridiculous. Defined as design instead, it's not - I work best in periods of long productivity, but I also require time to focus on different activities, else I suffer in ways that affect my performance. If you can't write code, that's fine, maybe look at the problem a different way or build that tool which helps you succeed in your 100 day goal. That's the opposite of poor work ethic, IMO, and that's exactly what is required (mental breaks) in order to succeed, at least in my experience.
  - Kiro 4y ago
    In your experience, yes, but yet you talk about it as absolute facts. I don't need breaks and it's not ridiculous. Period.
    - smaudet 4y ago
      In my experience, in many other's experience.... It's fairly factual, just because you have a way you might like to work or think is best doesn't mean it's the only one. People are very different, perhaps there is some psychological profile which behaves differently than another, regardless just as there are extroverts and introverts, people don't all work best in one way. I suspect most people can benefit from breaks, and the studies seem to back this up. Perhaps you are the special one - not the other way around.
  - bombolo 4y ago
    Just make your changes and then make a script to change the date and push them one by one every day!
viraptor 4y ago
> Absolute statements like this is just social malaise > Complete and utter social non-sense. People have just stopped thinking for themselves. Yes, absolute statements are a problem - including your comment. There's context around antiwork, there's context around grind culture - everything can be taken to an unhealthy extreme.

BoorishBears 4y ago

> Why? Well one might start to excessively think like a computer! For example, most humans can account for the imprecise nature of language and understand that "for anyone" doesn't necessarily mean every individual human on earth, but rather a sizeable portion of people. And "isn't good" is speaking relative to the poster's ideas rather than them claiming to have determined an absolute measure of the term "good". - But a computer struggles with such fuzzy constraints and falls back to the most literal interpretation of any statement. At which point the GPT-3 model the computer is running might regurgitate some overreaction by jumping from someone essentially saying: "everything in moderation" to interpreting it as an attack on hard work and good work ethics.

adamisom 4y ago
This is an unfair attack. Choosing "for anyone" instead of another phrase does indeed carry meaning. You're both finding more meaning than is justified. A little wobble in imprecision from martin led to a bigger one in systemvoltage, led to a bigger one in you. (A better ending sentence from martin might've been "We don't want to incentivize 100-day streaks." But that has its own, orthogonal downsides--oh, GitHub's in the business of setting incentives? Uh oh... So all in all, I think I understand his choice of phrasing.)
- systemvoltage 4y ago
  I’m just generally fed up of antiwork culture here. We are teaching youngsters to never persevere and push themselves to the limit, ensuring they’ll never realize their full potential and spiraling downwards in a low quality life of lethargy and resentment towards those who succeed. I thought this is “Hacker News”. The tone here has slid significantly in last 5 years. Folks like Martin apologizing indirectly.
  - WarChortle 4y ago
    > We are teaching youngsters to never persevere and push themselves to the limit, ensuring they’ll never realize their full potential and spiraling downwards in a low quality life of lethargy and resentment towards those who succeed. I think you vastly misunderstand the entire point of antiwork. Its not saying go sit on a couch all day. Its to recognize you have a life outside of work and its okay if work isn't your driving factor in life. You can learn to persevere and push yourself many many ways. Work is not the only way. Not excelling at your job does not mean you are lethargic and resentful. Success is measured many different ways, by many different people. You seem to measure it by how hard you work, that's great. Doesn't mean everyone has too.
    - systemvoltage 4y ago
      No, it’s just a toxic destructive culture that’s destroying lives. I’m not convinced, I tried to see the best in what you’re saying.
      - WarChortle 4y ago
        How? If I do what is asked of me and no more, then go spend my free time with my family, or go hiking, or do a million other fun, fulling things I could enjoy. How is that destructive?
        systemvoltage 4y ago
        I meant what you’re saying is normal and great; but that’s not the antiwork culture and does not describe it accurately. I have an extremely cynical view of it and I’m convinced that’s people don’t have the best intentions. Not a single comment on HN in last few years encourage hard work and mentally exhausting yourself. Your brain is far more capable than the current zeitgeist tells you. We are raising a generation that will revel in lethargy and smoking weed all day.
- BoorishBears 4y ago
  This would be unfair if they didn't springboard into: > The current social bandwagon can be summarized as: “Work is bad. Hard work is toxic. Perseverance is not healthy”. HN is just reflecting r/antiwork ethics. Complete and utter social non-sense. People have just stopped thinking for themselves. This is generally not even-keeled behavior. "Everything in moderation" dates back to 6 BC. This was clearly an reinterpretation of that basic idea. No reason to hop into a tirade into the death of hard work or something.

metafunctor 4y ago

Gamifying non stop daily “contributions” does not seem healthy to me. I work 5 days per week. I may not commit every day. Typically I will, except when I'm ill, or my close family is seriously ill, or there's a funeral, wedding, holiday, etc. So, life gets in the way, I guess. If you're compelled to work all the time, every day, for months on end, good for you I guess. But I wouldn't skip my life to satisfy any KPI. I will, however, persevere. I work hard. I do not give up easily. I learn something new all the time. I try to get better every day. I do my best to contribute to my family, my company, my society, and humanity at large. However, life, I've realized, is long. My priorities have shifted over time. In the past, the value I've created in my work has not always ended up where I'd like. If you have all this figured out 100%, then yes, go for it! Don't stop! The rest of us are still figuring it out. Oh, also, I don't work with GitHub at all. Imagine that.

systemvoltage 4y ago
Right on, this is the spirit. Committing yourself to a goal, like learning piano or not missing a single day at the gym is a great “gamification” motivation. That doesn’t mean you have to miss a funeral or have a complete mental breakdown.

bawolff 4y ago

Did you do it just to get a gold star on github? Like, you should do what works for you, but you should do it for better reasons than getting a streak counter on github.

systemvoltage 4y ago
Someone commented about running challenges. Similar. I need a target to achieve and a reason to motivate myself. Frankly speaking, I’m terrible at writing code but I do it for fun.

andrewjl 4y ago

> People have just stopped thinking for themselves. I see the opposite. People are thinking for themselves and are looking at empirical evidence like TFA to boot. Edit: your other comment about needing targets makes me suspect you'd benefit from using a personal task manager that can clearly and tangibly visualize progress if you aren't using one already.

smaudet 4y ago
I agree Parent comment seems clueless... I learnt early to task things out, in my head/notes. Graphical representation seems like a crutch to me. Specifically regarding 100 days of coding - with truly zero breaks yes this is ridiculous. Defined as design instead, it's not - I work best in periods of long productivity, but I also require time to focus on different activities, else I suffer in ways that affect my performance. If you can't write code, that's fine, maybe look at the problem a different way or build that tool which helps you succeed in your 100 day goal. That's the opposite of poor work ethic, IMO, and that's exactly what is required (mental breaks) in order to succeed, at least in my experience.
- Kiro 4y ago
  In your experience, yes, but yet you talk about it as absolute facts. I don't need breaks and it's not ridiculous. Period.
  - smaudet 4y ago
    In my experience, in many other's experience.... It's fairly factual, just because you have a way you might like to work or think is best doesn't mean it's the only one. People are very different, perhaps there is some psychological profile which behaves differently than another, regardless just as there are extroverts and introverts, people don't all work best in one way. I suspect most people can benefit from breaks, and the studies seem to back this up. Perhaps you are the special one - not the other way around.
- bombolo 4y ago
  Just make your changes and then make a script to change the date and push them one by one every day!

viraptor 4y ago

> Absolute statements like this is just social malaise > Complete and utter social non-sense. People have just stopped thinking for themselves. Yes, absolute statements are a problem - including your comment. There's context around antiwork, there's context around grind culture - everything can be taken to an unhealthy extreme.