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I would really like to understand your comment but I am not sure what you mean with "orthogonal" in this context. Could you please explain more? Our customer w

I would really like to understand your comment but I am not sure what you mean with "orthogonal" in this context. Could you please explain more? Our customer which was the school having this problem we tried to fix pulled us in and then along and we had constant interaction with them until our Product fit that Market (the school).

robocat 4y ago
Sorry. On rereading your comment I think you are saying you have PMF, and just giving your own example? Maybe I misread you, but it is not clear that you are saying you have PMF. Or are you just saying you have a little? Having customers is not necessarily PMF. My misreading was mostly that your comment began on the topic of your first customer. One customer would not usually be called a market? Oddly, you then did a similar thing in your reply “our customer” and “that Market (the school)”. I mostly wanted to play with the metaphor: “PMF is when your product is pushed by a crowd of customers, a herd, almost uncontrollable. Sometimes going with the crowd is surprising and productive, and sometimes you have to try your hardest to go your own desired direction against the flow”. “Orthogonal” meant going off on a tangent to the core topic - maybe “peripheral” as a synonym (odd that my chosen words also have STEM meanings). Your comment feels a bit like a self-promotion. To reply to the core topic of the article would be to discuss “chasing the boulder”. This comment has also drifted along another different dimension, sorry.
- ahaucnx 4y ago
  Thanks for clarifying. Yes, we believe we have PMF and I wanted to illustrate with an example that we did not have any issues with 'finding' it because we had the problem to solve - even before we decided that this could be a product/startup. Too often I see people asking "give me an idea for a startup" but in reality it should be the opposite way "give me a problem to solve". Yes, one customer is not necessarily a market but in most cases the problem that one customers faces is not isolated and if it is faced by a multitude of customers I believe you can call it a 'market'.

robocat 4y ago

Sorry. On rereading your comment I think you are saying you have PMF, and just giving your own example? Maybe I misread you, but it is not clear that you are saying you have PMF. Or are you just saying you have a little? Having customers is not necessarily PMF. My misreading was mostly that your comment began on the topic of your first customer. One customer would not usually be called a market? Oddly, you then did a similar thing in your reply “our customer” and “that Market (the school)”. I mostly wanted to play with the metaphor: “PMF is when your product is pushed by a crowd of customers, a herd, almost uncontrollable. Sometimes going with the crowd is surprising and productive, and sometimes you have to try your hardest to go your own desired direction against the flow”. “Orthogonal” meant going off on a tangent to the core topic - maybe “peripheral” as a synonym (odd that my chosen words also have STEM meanings). Your comment feels a bit like a self-promotion. To reply to the core topic of the article would be to discuss “chasing the boulder”. This comment has also drifted along another different dimension, sorry.

ahaucnx 4y ago
Thanks for clarifying. Yes, we believe we have PMF and I wanted to illustrate with an example that we did not have any issues with 'finding' it because we had the problem to solve - even before we decided that this could be a product/startup. Too often I see people asking "give me an idea for a startup" but in reality it should be the opposite way "give me a problem to solve". Yes, one customer is not necessarily a market but in most cases the problem that one customers faces is not isolated and if it is faced by a multitude of customers I believe you can call it a 'market'.