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i never said/implied anything generic re: private ISPs serving KF what i implied was specific and concrete: KF should not be served by anyone you're the one m

by lbruno 4y ago

i never said/implied anything generic re: private ISPs serving KF what i implied was specific and concrete: KF should not be served by anyone you're the one marketing a generic and abstract “no duty to serve”, because you can't defend the specific and concrete actions taken by KF edit: i'll also happily make the concrete argument that cake shops shouldn't be allowed to discriminate against gays/lesbians/etc, while at the same time saying no-one should be allowed to serve KF these two points of view are perfectly consistent with one another -- confusion only arises if you try to think of abstract nonsense that must apply to both situations that is a strawman of your own creation

Big_Discourse 4y ago
- slater 4y ago
  Dunno if the OP edited, but their post reads "KF should not be served by anyone" Not 'allowed'. Anyone with an ounce of decency should realize they shouldn't have anything to do with KF
  - Big_Discourse 4y ago
    If you had read the whole post, you would know it does say "allowed". As for the rest: yes, great, people who do [thing I don't like] are scoundrels. A slow clap for you.
    - slater 4y ago
      Thanks for the slow clap!
luckylion 4y ago
I hadn't replied to anything you said, but to api's statement: > The right supports the right of private businesses to decide who to serve unless they are kicking out right wingers in which case we need government intervention to guarantee a platform.
- lbruno 4y ago
  i know you didn't, but you were speaking generically and about abstract principles/guidelines/etc i usually caution folks to speak of concrete things, so that you're not led astray and forget what you're defending
  - luckylion 4y ago
    I've grown up on Kant, and while I don't follow him to the absolutist ends, I do agree that principles are unconditional, or they're worthless intellectual fake jewelry we pretend to have because it looks good. But in this specific case: I mentioned that "it's a crime if done to me, but totally fine if done to thee" is pretty much universal, and you'll find it in most large ideological groups. Going "the other side does that (but not mine, we're better than that)" is cheap tribalism that is based only in wishful thinking.

by lbruno 4y ago

Big_Discourse 4y ago

slater 4y ago
Dunno if the OP edited, but their post reads "KF should not be served by anyone" Not 'allowed'. Anyone with an ounce of decency should realize they shouldn't have anything to do with KF
- Big_Discourse 4y ago
  If you had read the whole post, you would know it does say "allowed". As for the rest: yes, great, people who do [thing I don't like] are scoundrels. A slow clap for you.
  - slater 4y ago
    Thanks for the slow clap!

luckylion 4y ago

I hadn't replied to anything you said, but to api's statement: > The right supports the right of private businesses to decide who to serve unless they are kicking out right wingers in which case we need government intervention to guarantee a platform.

lbruno 4y ago
i know you didn't, but you were speaking generically and about abstract principles/guidelines/etc i usually caution folks to speak of concrete things, so that you're not led astray and forget what you're defending
- luckylion 4y ago
  I've grown up on Kant, and while I don't follow him to the absolutist ends, I do agree that principles are unconditional, or they're worthless intellectual fake jewelry we pretend to have because it looks good. But in this specific case: I mentioned that "it's a crime if done to me, but totally fine if done to thee" is pretty much universal, and you'll find it in most large ideological groups. Going "the other side does that (but not mine, we're better than that)" is cheap tribalism that is based only in wishful thinking.