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Buildings don’t cross borders. Code is information, and information wants to, and will be free. Short of a North Korea like setup, regulations can only slow d
by zarzavat 4y ago
Buildings don’t cross borders.
Code is information, and information wants to, and will be free.
Short of a North Korea like
setup, regulations can only slow down the spread of information around the world.
- ouid 4y agoslow might be nice
- freedom2099 4y agoInformations is just that… has no will nor wants
- 9dev 4y agoAh, come on. That’s the exact same argument as „guns don’t kill people, humans do“ - factually correct, but misses the entire point far and wide.
- colejohnson66 4y agoNot really. Guns serve one purpose, really: shooting at things, while possibly killing it (ignoring gun ranges). It’s why they were created in the first place. That’s why the “guns don’t kill people, people kill people” argument is bogus. “Information,” OTOH, doesn’t serve any particular purpose. On its own, information is just bits; it’s how those bits are used that matters. Those bits can be arranged to say “Hello, world”, but they can also be arranged to make the Stuxnet virus.
- bumby 4y agoNuclear fissile material is similarly morally agnostic. It’s just matter, right? So is smallpox. It’s just DNA code at its heart, right? But it’s also recognized that wide access to some things creates a lopsided risk/reward profile.
- colejohnson66 4y agoCorrect. I’m not arguing that wide access is a good thing; Just that the comparison to the tired gun argument is wrong. Hence why I brought up a “bad” usage of the agnostic item. It’s not the best example, but it’s what I thought of on the spot.
- akimball 4y agoA remotely operated hole punch. I have used one to quickly make small round holes in hard materials on several occasions. Also to install small lead weights into things. Mostly though, they are good for humanely harvesting meat.
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- sdiupIGPWEfh 4y agoIt gets tiring playing word games to avoid the suggestion that certain natural pressures have personal agency. Water "wants" to flow downhill. Gasses "want" to expand to fill their container. Genes "wanting" to replicate drive animals literally wanting to reproduce, and the incidental awareness of that drive in some species comes down to a certain molecular arrangement brought about by said genes. The genes are data, the minds are data, and the natural pressure is that that data which succeeds in reproducing will tend to keep reproducing. So in the original sense of the notion of memes as proposed by Dawkins, yes, information "wants" to be free, as that is its tendency. The only other option is that said data ultimately dies out.
- oriolid 4y agoDrugs, dangerously poor quality consumer products and other unwanted stuff does cross borders, and most countries are making efforts to stop them too.
- Turing_Machine 4y agoNeither drugs nor consumer products are speech.
- pixl97 4y agoIs code speech or action? If you're old, you say speech. If you're younger and watch any integration modern technology into life, you'd say both. But at the end of the day, your viewpoint doesn't matter. What does matter is when the 'average person' feels unsafe by this 'informational speech' as you like to call it, that it will be banned and restricted and you will be punished under the full force of the law for trafficking in it. Your neighbors will cheer as you're dragged out of your house by a swat team for being an evil terrorist. SCOTUS will make whatever finding is politically expedient for the majority parties point of view that is the majority at the time, and you will rot in prison until you die of old age. So, your choices are attempting to setup a regulatory framework to minimize the dystopian hellscape your ideas will create or embrace the dystopian hellscape.
- Turing_Machine 4y ago> Your neighbors will cheer as you're dragged out of your house by a swat team for being an evil terrorist. You have a cite for this actually happening with respect to a work of art in the United States in recent years?
- oriolid 4y agoI'm quite sure it is not "speech" in the sense they knew when freedom of speech laws were written.
- Turing_Machine 4y ago
- bigbillheck 4y ago> Buildings don’t cross borders I'm not sure that's factual, but even if it were, built objects certainly do.
- b112 4y agoThere are indeed buildings all over the place that do. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_house https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_house
- ehnto 4y agoCode is also machinery and infrastructure though, it can interact with the physical world in material ways, and because of that it will probably end up regulated. AI is all fun and games when it's data, but if it's being used to make decisions about how to take actions in the physical world I think it's fair that it follows some protocols each society gives it. Making a picture of a cat from a learned model, writing a book with a model, cool, whatever. Deciding who gets their house raided, or when to apply the brakes on an EV, or what drugs should be administered to a patient, we probably want to make sure the apparatus that does this, which includes the code, the data and the models, is held to some rules a society agrees upon.
- t-3 4y agoAnd those rules seem to be: nobody gets to inspect, question, or even see the model. Just accept the output without any recourse, like good little peasants.
- throwaway049 4y agoI recently saw a presentation from someone trying to build a predictive model for violent incidents in mental healthcare settings. They took steps to prevent the model considering race because this could potentially lead to less favorable treatment for some groups. The model was unable to give any useful predictions. I don't know if it would perform better without the deliberate limitations, but I do know that healthcare staff are making their own judgements in it's absence.
- zarzavat 4y agoI completely agree with the principle that legal entities: businesses and governments should have their use of AI restricted. Facial recognition, for example, is a danger to society. But the development and proliferation of AI by extralegal entities cannot be stopped. Individuals, foreign researchers, foreign business, etc will keep pushing the frontier of AI forward indefinitely. AI can be regulated but it cannot be controlled.
- bumby 4y agoWe regulate all kinds of things that cross borders.
- z9znz 4y ago> Buildings don’t cross borders "A metal strip on the floor of Eurode Business Center marks the border between Germany and the Netherlands. On one side of the building, there's a German mailbox and a German policeman. On the other side, a Dutch mailbox and a Dutch policeman." https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2012/08/09/158375183/the-building-thats-in-two-countries-at-once https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2012/08/09/158375183/the-...