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>Abusive parents also exist. Rather more commonly than pedophiles too, I'll wager. Saying that “parents can be abusive” isn’t an argument against giving parent

>Abusive parents also exist. Rather more commonly than pedophiles too, I'll wager. Saying that “parents can be abusive” isn’t an argument against giving parents in general authority over their children. Generally, parents are the most trustworthy individuals in a child’s life. Besides, if you widen the definition of abuse enough then you can turn 50% of parents abusive. Lots of deception has been done around the word “abuse” by silently widening the definition and then labeling people abusive to make it seem like they’re something they’re not.

dTal 4y ago
>Generally, parents are the most trustworthy individuals in a child’s life. Citation needed. It's an argument against giving parents total authority. Have you heard the saying "it takes a village to raise a child"? This modern phenomenon of parents maintaining an iron grip over where children go, who they interact with, and what ideas they're exposed to is a historical aberration, and it's not healthy. Even now, as it is, we still spread that responsibility out - people who homeschool their children are viewed with some suspicion, the moreso if they keep them socially isolated while doing so, for it is frequently a sign of cult grooming. Children need protection and nurturing, yes, but they're still people who exist in society - not property.
- mildmotive 4y ago
  >Citation needed. That parents are generally the most trustworthy individuals in a child's life should be common sense. I may not agree with every parent’s ideology or beliefs, but I will stand for their right to have a parental role in their own children’s lives. You seem to believe that this right should be revoked if their ideas on homosexuality don’t align with yours. >who they interact with Parents have a responsibility to make sure that their child is not interacting with people who might hurt them, or be a negative influence on them. >and what ideas they're exposed to Citation needed. I’m sure religious parents teach their children about homosexuality, they just mention it’s a sin rather than saying that it’s a person’s valid choice. They teach the moral standards that they believe are the truth and will benefit their child. You want to impose your standards of morality instead, which I’m saying is certainly not within your or the FSF’s right. >people who homeschool their children are viewed with some suspicion Really? I’ve never heard this opinion before. Homeschooling is perfectly fine, and parents that I’ve heard do it let their children interact with other children who’re homeschooled as well. They are thought together, at least sometimes. >they're still people who exist in society - not property Don’t lie. Don’t straw-man what I said. Parents have many rights over their children, but that does not mean that anybody here is likening them to a watch or a pair of slippers. These sorts of dishonest responses are getting tiresome.
  - dTal 4y ago
    > I’m sure religious parents teach their children about homosexuality, they just mention it’s a sin rather than saying that it’s a person’s valid choice. As has been pointed out to you multiple times, it's neither of those - it's an innate property. Let's drag this into the open and make it concrete. I do consider telling someone a child that their innate properties are sinful and will condemn them to eternal fire to be abusive, yes. I will proudly impose that standard of morality on others to the extent of my ability. I believe homosexuality is not wrong, and that parents who believe that it is wrong often inflict great psychological trauma on their own children, trauma which can be partially mitigated through support networks they sustain outside of parental control, often over the internet. There is a commenter right here in this thread who corroborates this with their personal experience growing up. Now, what are your views? We already know some of them - that being gay is a "lifestyle" one is "socialized" into, and that it's a question of "moral standards". So out with it - do you think homosexuality is wrong? Are you prepared to defend that stance in a public forum?

dTal 4y ago

>Generally, parents are the most trustworthy individuals in a child’s life. Citation needed. It's an argument against giving parents total authority. Have you heard the saying "it takes a village to raise a child"? This modern phenomenon of parents maintaining an iron grip over where children go, who they interact with, and what ideas they're exposed to is a historical aberration, and it's not healthy. Even now, as it is, we still spread that responsibility out - people who homeschool their children are viewed with some suspicion, the moreso if they keep them socially isolated while doing so, for it is frequently a sign of cult grooming. Children need protection and nurturing, yes, but they're still people who exist in society - not property.

mildmotive 4y ago
>Citation needed. That parents are generally the most trustworthy individuals in a child's life should be common sense. I may not agree with every parent’s ideology or beliefs, but I will stand for their right to have a parental role in their own children’s lives. You seem to believe that this right should be revoked if their ideas on homosexuality don’t align with yours. >who they interact with Parents have a responsibility to make sure that their child is not interacting with people who might hurt them, or be a negative influence on them. >and what ideas they're exposed to Citation needed. I’m sure religious parents teach their children about homosexuality, they just mention it’s a sin rather than saying that it’s a person’s valid choice. They teach the moral standards that they believe are the truth and will benefit their child. You want to impose your standards of morality instead, which I’m saying is certainly not within your or the FSF’s right. >people who homeschool their children are viewed with some suspicion Really? I’ve never heard this opinion before. Homeschooling is perfectly fine, and parents that I’ve heard do it let their children interact with other children who’re homeschooled as well. They are thought together, at least sometimes. >they're still people who exist in society - not property Don’t lie. Don’t straw-man what I said. Parents have many rights over their children, but that does not mean that anybody here is likening them to a watch or a pair of slippers. These sorts of dishonest responses are getting tiresome.
- dTal 4y ago
  > I’m sure religious parents teach their children about homosexuality, they just mention it’s a sin rather than saying that it’s a person’s valid choice. As has been pointed out to you multiple times, it's neither of those - it's an innate property. Let's drag this into the open and make it concrete. I do consider telling someone a child that their innate properties are sinful and will condemn them to eternal fire to be abusive, yes. I will proudly impose that standard of morality on others to the extent of my ability. I believe homosexuality is not wrong, and that parents who believe that it is wrong often inflict great psychological trauma on their own children, trauma which can be partially mitigated through support networks they sustain outside of parental control, often over the internet. There is a commenter right here in this thread who corroborates this with their personal experience growing up. Now, what are your views? We already know some of them - that being gay is a "lifestyle" one is "socialized" into, and that it's a question of "moral standards". So out with it - do you think homosexuality is wrong? Are you prepared to defend that stance in a public forum?