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The Tories won the 2019 General elections and a huge majority. A big part of that success has been "getting Brexit done". Inflation might be slightly worse be

The Tories won the 2019 General elections and a huge majority. A big part of that success has been "getting Brexit done". Inflation might be slightly worse because of the Pound but the main causes are the Dollar and energy. The latter is very largely caused by successive policies (or lack thereof) over the last 40 years. The UK has access to its own gas reserves and could be almost completely insulated from the current 'energy crisis'. Economic policy is significantly impacted by Covid. There are profound disagreement within the Tory Party and Brexit does play a role there but this is not a desperate situation, either.

robert_dipaolo 4y ago
I think also a big part was Jeremy Corbyn, Labour would have done a lot better if they'd have had a more effective leader. Brexit is not done, we have many more years of it to come!
- MattPalmer1086 4y ago
  Agreed that played a part in all this. It wasn't even that Corbyn was ineffective. He was actively repellant to quite a large number of people in the UK.
- pydry 4y ago
  Surprisingly, half of the bureaucrats and MPs in Corbyn's party preferred to see the Tories win. They didn't want to see a socialist/union driven wing of the party take power from them - the corporate/NGO wing. They spent most of their time and effort sabotaging both him and the party with a view to losing the 2019 election and grabbing back the reins of the party afterwards (which they did). This conspiracy is actually pretty well documented through leaks although it didn't get much airtime: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/9/23/unprecedented-leak-exposes-inner-workings-of-uk-labour-party https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/9/23/unprecedented-leak-... The UK media barons also preferred to see the country self destruct before seeing a socialist win as well, so they closed ranks and went on a character assassination extravaganza. Corbyn put their investments at risk with his policies. They didn't like Boris at all but they still painted him as a strong, capable leader even when he hid in a fridge. The public bought it. When Corbyn lost the election, party expelled him to consolidate power and the media serially repeated the story you just did to try and make sure this socialism/peacenik thing never took hold and threatened their portfolios ever again. The real irony is that we were serially promised years of absolute chaos and a return to the 1970s with stagflation and a wave of strikes if we voted for this guy: https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/08/09/corbyn-dragging-labour-back-to-the-1970s_n_7961890.html https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/08/09/corbyn-dragging-... Now here we are. The dark future we were promised spurred by an energy crisis Boris helped make happen by pressuring Ukraine into canceling peace talks: https://uawire.org/ukrainian-media-johnson-tells-zelensky-to-stop-negotiations-with-putin-and-fight-russia-to-a-victorious-end https://uawire.org/ukrainian-media-johnson-tells-zelensky-to...
SideburnsOfDoom 4y ago
Yes, the Tories won big in 2019 on the promises of better things to come. I don't think that they've actually got much Brexit done since then, just stalled a lot, and what did get done didn't benefit anyone. Empty promises, it seems, can sustain a party for years. But not indefinitely.
pydry 4y ago
>The Tories won the 2019 General elections and a huge majority. A big part of that success has been "getting Brexit done". That's kind of surface level. A large contingent of people were told that Brexit would be amazing and were told that Britain needed a good, strong, competent leader like Boris who would "get it done". The reality is that the media barons (Rothermere, Murdoch, etc.) that wanted more than anything for the socialist NOT to win, made sure Boris was painted as the strong and competent leader who could deliver a brighter future even though privately they knew he was an idiot. The UK public bought it. The media only started saying what they really thought about Boris after the socialist wing of the opposition was throughly routed. The sheep have now "woken up" to Boris being a dangerous idiot even though it is as obvious now if you paid attention as it was when he demonstrated his leadership credentials by hiding from journalists in a fridge. The media barons now desperately want a Labour government, of course, now that an unthreatening corporate stooge has consolidated power over the party. Starmer will be painted as the strong, sensible leader this country needs to avoid chaos.
- mytailorisrich 4y ago
  Again, the current situation has much more to do with Covid and decades of bad energy policy than with Brexit. People keep mentioning Brexit but are shy on specifics. Actually, I think many people on the right/Conservative/Brexit side are unhappy for the opposite reason: things have gone on unchanged instead of implementing change that Brexit allows: Immigration, tax, etc.
  - pydry 4y ago
    Yeah, it's little to do with Brexit. This current crisis is mostly about Ukraine. America wants a war in Ukraine and the UK are, as always, its ride or die puppets. The whole of Europe is now reeling from energy insecurity as a result of this proxy war. A different energy policy over the last decade could have made the crisis slightly better or worse but it was in essence as unavoidable in the UK as it is in France or Germany. France, with its aging fleet of expensive nuclear reactors may even suffer more. The only way to absolutely avoid the energy crisis would have been to avoid getting embroiled in the proxy war.

robert_dipaolo 4y ago

I think also a big part was Jeremy Corbyn, Labour would have done a lot better if they'd have had a more effective leader. Brexit is not done, we have many more years of it to come!

MattPalmer1086 4y ago
Agreed that played a part in all this. It wasn't even that Corbyn was ineffective. He was actively repellant to quite a large number of people in the UK.
pydry 4y ago
Surprisingly, half of the bureaucrats and MPs in Corbyn's party preferred to see the Tories win. They didn't want to see a socialist/union driven wing of the party take power from them - the corporate/NGO wing. They spent most of their time and effort sabotaging both him and the party with a view to losing the 2019 election and grabbing back the reins of the party afterwards (which they did). This conspiracy is actually pretty well documented through leaks although it didn't get much airtime: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/9/23/unprecedented-leak-exposes-inner-workings-of-uk-labour-party https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/9/23/unprecedented-leak-... The UK media barons also preferred to see the country self destruct before seeing a socialist win as well, so they closed ranks and went on a character assassination extravaganza. Corbyn put their investments at risk with his policies. They didn't like Boris at all but they still painted him as a strong, capable leader even when he hid in a fridge. The public bought it. When Corbyn lost the election, party expelled him to consolidate power and the media serially repeated the story you just did to try and make sure this socialism/peacenik thing never took hold and threatened their portfolios ever again. The real irony is that we were serially promised years of absolute chaos and a return to the 1970s with stagflation and a wave of strikes if we voted for this guy: https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/08/09/corbyn-dragging-labour-back-to-the-1970s_n_7961890.html https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/08/09/corbyn-dragging-... Now here we are. The dark future we were promised spurred by an energy crisis Boris helped make happen by pressuring Ukraine into canceling peace talks: https://uawire.org/ukrainian-media-johnson-tells-zelensky-to-stop-negotiations-with-putin-and-fight-russia-to-a-victorious-end https://uawire.org/ukrainian-media-johnson-tells-zelensky-to...

SideburnsOfDoom 4y ago

Yes, the Tories won big in 2019 on the promises of better things to come. I don't think that they've actually got much Brexit done since then, just stalled a lot, and what did get done didn't benefit anyone. Empty promises, it seems, can sustain a party for years. But not indefinitely.

pydry 4y ago

>The Tories won the 2019 General elections and a huge majority. A big part of that success has been "getting Brexit done". That's kind of surface level. A large contingent of people were told that Brexit would be amazing and were told that Britain needed a good, strong, competent leader like Boris who would "get it done". The reality is that the media barons (Rothermere, Murdoch, etc.) that wanted more than anything for the socialist NOT to win, made sure Boris was painted as the strong and competent leader who could deliver a brighter future even though privately they knew he was an idiot. The UK public bought it. The media only started saying what they really thought about Boris after the socialist wing of the opposition was throughly routed. The sheep have now "woken up" to Boris being a dangerous idiot even though it is as obvious now if you paid attention as it was when he demonstrated his leadership credentials by hiding from journalists in a fridge. The media barons now desperately want a Labour government, of course, now that an unthreatening corporate stooge has consolidated power over the party. Starmer will be painted as the strong, sensible leader this country needs to avoid chaos.

mytailorisrich 4y ago
Again, the current situation has much more to do with Covid and decades of bad energy policy than with Brexit. People keep mentioning Brexit but are shy on specifics. Actually, I think many people on the right/Conservative/Brexit side are unhappy for the opposite reason: things have gone on unchanged instead of implementing change that Brexit allows: Immigration, tax, etc.
- pydry 4y ago
  Yeah, it's little to do with Brexit. This current crisis is mostly about Ukraine. America wants a war in Ukraine and the UK are, as always, its ride or die puppets. The whole of Europe is now reeling from energy insecurity as a result of this proxy war. A different energy policy over the last decade could have made the crisis slightly better or worse but it was in essence as unavoidable in the UK as it is in France or Germany. France, with its aging fleet of expensive nuclear reactors may even suffer more. The only way to absolutely avoid the energy crisis would have been to avoid getting embroiled in the proxy war.