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Right there with you. We had a scare where my wife had to go to the hospital and stay at the emergency room for four days for stroke-like symptoms. She has many

Right there with you. We had a scare where my wife had to go to the hospital and stay at the emergency room for four days for stroke-like symptoms. She has many of the symptoms you've listed, and though her assigned emergency room doctor was unwilling to provide a diagnosis, it turns out that that thyroid medication has helped stabilize her condition. What's baffling is the lack of any sort of help at the hospital and the inability to find a rheumatologist or specialist or just a regular doctor who gives a damn. They will maximize wealth extraction from their patients and provide no meaningful service. Every step of the way has felt like gross negligence when it comes my wife's medical care. I have a couple of young kids. I stopped reading the article because I don't want to imagine my children growing up without their mother.

Test0129 4y ago
> What's baffling is the lack of any sort of help at the hospital and the inability to find a rheumatologist or specialist or just a regular doctor who gives a damn. I guess this depends on your situation. I've been in and out of doctors my entire life. The doctors that give a damn are generally locked away from you if you're using some sort of state health plan or HMO. I have only ever had luck finding a good doctor by going through PPO. If you can do this, I would recommend it. PPO doctors make far, far more (because it's expensive even to you) but the specialist access is second to none. It took 3 months to get an appointment with an ENT once, and when I switched to PPO my GP had me into an ENT at my request the next week. Then you start the cycle of feeling them out and finding out which ones mesh with your goals. It's tough, but navigating healthcare is tough. Just avoid HMO insurance and you'll do a lot better (or at least better than baseline).
- tandr 4y ago
  Would someone be kind, and explain what PPO, ENT, HMO means? Thank you in advance.
  - plasticchris 4y ago
    PPO is insurance that you pay more for but you can pick the doctors and services. HMO is insurance where the insurance company picks the doctors and services. ENT is a specialist doctor.
  - mmkhd 4y ago
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-wpHszfnJns&t=1627s https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-wpHszfnJns&t=1627s “A terrible guide to the terrible terminology of U.S. Health Insurance” by Brian David Gilbert
  - astura 4y ago
    ENT - ear nose and throat HMO - health maintenance organization. It's a type of insurance where you have to get referrals from someone you designate as your primary care provider. PPO - preferred provider organization. Another type of insurance where some providers are "preferred providers" who partner with the insurance company to offer reduced rates. You don't need a referral to see a specialist, but many specialists won't see you without a referral anyway. I have no idea what a "PPO doctor" is, I've never heard of a doctor that only accepts PPOs, that's ridiculous. I guess if a referral is required then the nebulous "they" won't refer you to the "good" ones if you have an HMO?? Except, in practice, you end up at the same handful of providers in your area no matter your insurance. I've had both HMOs and PPOs throughout the years, same shitty doctors on both.
    - elteto 4y ago
      It’s not the doctor, it’s the network. What OP was saying is that the doctors in the PPO networks seem to be much better than those in the HMO networks.
    - secabeen 4y ago
      > you end up at the same handful of providers in your area no matter your insurance This is very dependent on where you live and the density of providers. If you live in a small-to-medium size city or smaller, your description is accurate. In big cities, it's not; there is a whole set of doctors who don't work with HMOs at all, because they don't have to. They often are the best, most in demand doctors as well.
  - lanstin 4y ago
    PPO is preferred provider organization. You can see specialists easier and have more latitude to pick your providers, assuming they are in the network. ENT is ear nose and throat, also called otolaryngologists, who do sinuses and hearing and throat cancers and that sort of thing. Usually they are surgeons. HMO is a health maintenance organization which is usually cheaper and offers less choice for the patients but also pays for preventative services more but can be bureaucratic if you have a rarer problem. I use Kaiser because I believe in the focus on data driven treatment and prevention, and haven’t had rare diseases yet. We have used them for vasectomy, breast cancer, cornea replacement, and trans transitioning all fine effect. I have a friend whose wife had some standard type of valve replacement and also had a good experience, tho my friend was heavily involved in meeting with the surgeons and consulting on the operation planning. Most people have common problems, so it works well as a first level, I think. Edit: Kaiser is non profit. There are HMOs which exist primarily as cost control organizations, not primarily committed to health care, so experienced vary
  - hpcjoe 4y ago
    PPO and HMO are symptoms of our terrible US health system. They are focused on cost control, not positive outcomes. Basically they are middle-men between doctors and their patients. They get to approve/deny care choices. They get to decide, ex post facto, whether or not they will pay for healthcare services, medicines, etc. Here in the US, you can get surprise medical bills greater than $10k USD, due to these organizations saying "nope, not gonna pay for that." While in some cases, homeotherapy, and similar, this is justified ... in many/most cases, it really isn't. HMO/PPO etc are all about reducing cost of the care, with these organizations funding themselves from driving down the cost of the the service. Doctors have to hire people to handle dealing with the insurance companies (HMO/PPO/etc.) Its expensive and time consuming to deal with them.
- cfeduke 4y ago
  Thanks for the info, I'll see if we can switch to PPO, especially with open enrollment coming up next month. It could be the difference between life and death.
speeder 4y ago
My mom had a sudden acute glaucoma, we didn't knew it was glaucoma yet, and she was sent to hospital. Same shit, wealth extraction, no proper care. We begged help from her usual eye doctor, sent to him photos of her eyes that had obvious glaucoma for someone that know what glaucoma is, and he just replied she is fine. Eventually we found on our own she had glaucoma and transferred her to a university, where students wanting to learn treated her, or tried, since they couldn't do anything without permission from licensed medics, and the medics and their teacher all were for "some reason" unexpecteadly absent. She is getting better now, but got some permanent damage that wouldn't have happened if someone bothered to look at her. In the initial hospital she went to, nurses told me they asked for a medical specialist to come and see her, that I could rest easy and they would fix the issue. Later on, my father asked one of the hospital administrators that is his friend, and he checked the records, and found out the nurses lied. If that is the treatment you get when you are paying and when hospital administator is your friend, imagine when you are poor... EDIT: in general, I don't trust medics, almost all medics I know are liars, scam artists or butchers, I have a list of medical malpractice on people I know bigger than the list of stuff fixed, including deaths caused by medical malpractice. My personal issues are mostly self-treated, with me going to medics only because the law obliges me to to get the needed prescriptions. My wife is pregnant, and her medics told us a lot of suspicious stuff, I hired a doula and some nurses out of my own pocket, a team that helped with childbirth of a friend of my wife, and asked them about all sketchy stuff the medic said, and they gave me the details, including the science, to prove to me the medic is actually trying to scam my wife into having a privately paid caesarean section in a expensive hospital. And indeed when I asked the medic later how much he expects the birthing to cost us, he quoted us a totally eye-watering figure and said our health insurance wouldn't cover it (a lie, we checked this already). EDIT2: how to be a butcher: insist a guy has cancer, when everyone insists he doesn't have cancer, then have a exploratory surgery to find his cancer and kill him on the sugery table, then you say "oops, he didn't had cancer after all!"
- cfeduke 4y ago
  Somewhat related here in the US - when we had our second child, it was touted that with health insurance the cost out of pocket with my insurance of having a child was less than USD$1,000. The medical care providers figured out a neat way around this: they have a bunch of professionals come to the room after your child is born and have you sign paperwork for the post-birth checkup. (What I learned: do not sign anything.) Then, each professional is billed as a separate private contractor and our health insurance didn't cover service from a private contractor, so we paid around $8K out of pocket for service that used to be covered as part of child birth. (The benefit being that the hospital doesn't get bargained down by insurance providers if you get suckered into paying out of pocket.)

Test0129 4y ago

> What's baffling is the lack of any sort of help at the hospital and the inability to find a rheumatologist or specialist or just a regular doctor who gives a damn. I guess this depends on your situation. I've been in and out of doctors my entire life. The doctors that give a damn are generally locked away from you if you're using some sort of state health plan or HMO. I have only ever had luck finding a good doctor by going through PPO. If you can do this, I would recommend it. PPO doctors make far, far more (because it's expensive even to you) but the specialist access is second to none. It took 3 months to get an appointment with an ENT once, and when I switched to PPO my GP had me into an ENT at my request the next week. Then you start the cycle of feeling them out and finding out which ones mesh with your goals. It's tough, but navigating healthcare is tough. Just avoid HMO insurance and you'll do a lot better (or at least better than baseline).

tandr 4y ago
Would someone be kind, and explain what PPO, ENT, HMO means? Thank you in advance.
- plasticchris 4y ago
  PPO is insurance that you pay more for but you can pick the doctors and services. HMO is insurance where the insurance company picks the doctors and services. ENT is a specialist doctor.
- mmkhd 4y ago
  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-wpHszfnJns&t=1627s https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-wpHszfnJns&t=1627s “A terrible guide to the terrible terminology of U.S. Health Insurance” by Brian David Gilbert
- astura 4y ago
  ENT - ear nose and throat HMO - health maintenance organization. It's a type of insurance where you have to get referrals from someone you designate as your primary care provider. PPO - preferred provider organization. Another type of insurance where some providers are "preferred providers" who partner with the insurance company to offer reduced rates. You don't need a referral to see a specialist, but many specialists won't see you without a referral anyway. I have no idea what a "PPO doctor" is, I've never heard of a doctor that only accepts PPOs, that's ridiculous. I guess if a referral is required then the nebulous "they" won't refer you to the "good" ones if you have an HMO?? Except, in practice, you end up at the same handful of providers in your area no matter your insurance. I've had both HMOs and PPOs throughout the years, same shitty doctors on both.
  - elteto 4y ago
    It’s not the doctor, it’s the network. What OP was saying is that the doctors in the PPO networks seem to be much better than those in the HMO networks.
  - secabeen 4y ago
    > you end up at the same handful of providers in your area no matter your insurance This is very dependent on where you live and the density of providers. If you live in a small-to-medium size city or smaller, your description is accurate. In big cities, it's not; there is a whole set of doctors who don't work with HMOs at all, because they don't have to. They often are the best, most in demand doctors as well.
- lanstin 4y ago
  PPO is preferred provider organization. You can see specialists easier and have more latitude to pick your providers, assuming they are in the network. ENT is ear nose and throat, also called otolaryngologists, who do sinuses and hearing and throat cancers and that sort of thing. Usually they are surgeons. HMO is a health maintenance organization which is usually cheaper and offers less choice for the patients but also pays for preventative services more but can be bureaucratic if you have a rarer problem. I use Kaiser because I believe in the focus on data driven treatment and prevention, and haven’t had rare diseases yet. We have used them for vasectomy, breast cancer, cornea replacement, and trans transitioning all fine effect. I have a friend whose wife had some standard type of valve replacement and also had a good experience, tho my friend was heavily involved in meeting with the surgeons and consulting on the operation planning. Most people have common problems, so it works well as a first level, I think. Edit: Kaiser is non profit. There are HMOs which exist primarily as cost control organizations, not primarily committed to health care, so experienced vary
- hpcjoe 4y ago
  PPO and HMO are symptoms of our terrible US health system. They are focused on cost control, not positive outcomes. Basically they are middle-men between doctors and their patients. They get to approve/deny care choices. They get to decide, ex post facto, whether or not they will pay for healthcare services, medicines, etc. Here in the US, you can get surprise medical bills greater than $10k USD, due to these organizations saying "nope, not gonna pay for that." While in some cases, homeotherapy, and similar, this is justified ... in many/most cases, it really isn't. HMO/PPO etc are all about reducing cost of the care, with these organizations funding themselves from driving down the cost of the the service. Doctors have to hire people to handle dealing with the insurance companies (HMO/PPO/etc.) Its expensive and time consuming to deal with them.
cfeduke 4y ago
Thanks for the info, I'll see if we can switch to PPO, especially with open enrollment coming up next month. It could be the difference between life and death.

speeder 4y ago

My mom had a sudden acute glaucoma, we didn't knew it was glaucoma yet, and she was sent to hospital. Same shit, wealth extraction, no proper care. We begged help from her usual eye doctor, sent to him photos of her eyes that had obvious glaucoma for someone that know what glaucoma is, and he just replied she is fine. Eventually we found on our own she had glaucoma and transferred her to a university, where students wanting to learn treated her, or tried, since they couldn't do anything without permission from licensed medics, and the medics and their teacher all were for "some reason" unexpecteadly absent. She is getting better now, but got some permanent damage that wouldn't have happened if someone bothered to look at her. In the initial hospital she went to, nurses told me they asked for a medical specialist to come and see her, that I could rest easy and they would fix the issue. Later on, my father asked one of the hospital administrators that is his friend, and he checked the records, and found out the nurses lied. If that is the treatment you get when you are paying and when hospital administator is your friend, imagine when you are poor... EDIT: in general, I don't trust medics, almost all medics I know are liars, scam artists or butchers, I have a list of medical malpractice on people I know bigger than the list of stuff fixed, including deaths caused by medical malpractice. My personal issues are mostly self-treated, with me going to medics only because the law obliges me to to get the needed prescriptions. My wife is pregnant, and her medics told us a lot of suspicious stuff, I hired a doula and some nurses out of my own pocket, a team that helped with childbirth of a friend of my wife, and asked them about all sketchy stuff the medic said, and they gave me the details, including the science, to prove to me the medic is actually trying to scam my wife into having a privately paid caesarean section in a expensive hospital. And indeed when I asked the medic later how much he expects the birthing to cost us, he quoted us a totally eye-watering figure and said our health insurance wouldn't cover it (a lie, we checked this already). EDIT2: how to be a butcher: insist a guy has cancer, when everyone insists he doesn't have cancer, then have a exploratory surgery to find his cancer and kill him on the sugery table, then you say "oops, he didn't had cancer after all!"

cfeduke 4y ago
Somewhat related here in the US - when we had our second child, it was touted that with health insurance the cost out of pocket with my insurance of having a child was less than USD$1,000. The medical care providers figured out a neat way around this: they have a bunch of professionals come to the room after your child is born and have you sign paperwork for the post-birth checkup. (What I learned: do not sign anything.) Then, each professional is billed as a separate private contractor and our health insurance didn't cover service from a private contractor, so we paid around $8K out of pocket for service that used to be covered as part of child birth. (The benefit being that the hospital doesn't get bargained down by insurance providers if you get suckered into paying out of pocket.)