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Definitely. And trade agreements will/do favor this alignment more than before Still, the majority of educated labor flow is moving towards the US and China/Ru

by pempem 4y ago

Definitely. And trade agreements will/do favor this alignment more than before Still, the majority of educated labor flow is moving towards the US and China/Russia make it comparatively incredibly hard for immigrants to move btwn these locations. Moving between China and India would be difficult, whereas all of these countries generally can largely rely on English being their common language esp India and S Africa, where English is one of the national languages. I think limited ability to share labor/culture/etc will limit this alternative western economy and the US has not abdicated its position yet` If you're the best of the best in machine learning in China or India and are looking to make a move, or write a book...it'll likely be to the US and in English rather than to Brazil and in Portuguese.

yogthos 4y ago
>Still, the majority of educated labor flow is moving towards the US and China/Russia make it comparatively incredibly hard for immigrants to move btwn these locations. That's false as well First, China is already outpacing US in both quality and quantity of research https://physicsworld.com/a/china-overtakes-the-us-in-terms-of-research-quality-finds-study/ https://physicsworld.com/a/china-overtakes-the-us-in-terms-o... China is also outpacing US in number of STEM graduates now, many of top STEM universities in the world are now in China https://cset.georgetown.edu/publication/china-is-fast-outpacing-u-s-stem-phd-growth/ https://cset.georgetown.edu/publication/china-is-fast-outpac... This shouldn't be a surprise to anyone given that China has a strong education system that's free and a population of 1.4 billion people. Furthermore, there is already a huge brain drain happening from US to China thanks to xenophobic policies US has been enacting lately https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3196372/reverse-brain-drain-nasa-data-scientist-takes-job-china https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3196372/reve... China alone is a comparable population to US and Europe. Russia also has a strong education system inherited from USSR, and has some of the top tech talent. For example, companies like Yandex and VK managed to outcompete US companies like Google and Fb in Russia. This hasn't happened anywhere else in the world.
- pempem 4y ago
  From your comments: - no debate on population and the ability to grow STEM graduates at a faster clip - no debate on the general availability of education - many folks debate whether there is enough innovation or space to execute on research that isn't in line with whatever the political stance is at the moment. This is a long debate and anyone with a proper understanding of US history can find many instances where the US government has also shut down innovation. That being said, foundational efforts that we all rely on daily have come from DARPA, NSA, CIA and other government funding sources and made it into global consumer goods This is from the physicsworld.com article you posted: "They found that 1.67% of papers with Chinese authors were in the top 1% most-cited articles in 2019 compared with 1.62% of papers with US authors." This is not what one would call "outpacing". To your other points re: Yandex and VK. I assume you know the below, but lets discuss: Russia has fully blocked its competitors and built in-country players as has China. Not quite the same as growing invasively the way FB, Insta, Whatsapp, Paypal etc have from an external position. The government has advantaged their own players, which is fine but not the same. This I can say from reading and from first-hand experience having worked on growing Paypal in Russia and other emerging markets.
  - yogthos 4y ago
    As I recall, Russia did allow Google and Fb to operate while Yandex and VK were ramping up.

by pempem 4y ago

yogthos 4y ago

>Still, the majority of educated labor flow is moving towards the US and China/Russia make it comparatively incredibly hard for immigrants to move btwn these locations. That's false as well First, China is already outpacing US in both quality and quantity of research https://physicsworld.com/a/china-overtakes-the-us-in-terms-of-research-quality-finds-study/ https://physicsworld.com/a/china-overtakes-the-us-in-terms-o... China is also outpacing US in number of STEM graduates now, many of top STEM universities in the world are now in China https://cset.georgetown.edu/publication/china-is-fast-outpacing-u-s-stem-phd-growth/ https://cset.georgetown.edu/publication/china-is-fast-outpac... This shouldn't be a surprise to anyone given that China has a strong education system that's free and a population of 1.4 billion people. Furthermore, there is already a huge brain drain happening from US to China thanks to xenophobic policies US has been enacting lately https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3196372/reverse-brain-drain-nasa-data-scientist-takes-job-china https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3196372/reve... China alone is a comparable population to US and Europe. Russia also has a strong education system inherited from USSR, and has some of the top tech talent. For example, companies like Yandex and VK managed to outcompete US companies like Google and Fb in Russia. This hasn't happened anywhere else in the world.

pempem 4y ago
From your comments: - no debate on population and the ability to grow STEM graduates at a faster clip - no debate on the general availability of education - many folks debate whether there is enough innovation or space to execute on research that isn't in line with whatever the political stance is at the moment. This is a long debate and anyone with a proper understanding of US history can find many instances where the US government has also shut down innovation. That being said, foundational efforts that we all rely on daily have come from DARPA, NSA, CIA and other government funding sources and made it into global consumer goods This is from the physicsworld.com article you posted: "They found that 1.67% of papers with Chinese authors were in the top 1% most-cited articles in 2019 compared with 1.62% of papers with US authors." This is not what one would call "outpacing". To your other points re: Yandex and VK. I assume you know the below, but lets discuss: Russia has fully blocked its competitors and built in-country players as has China. Not quite the same as growing invasively the way FB, Insta, Whatsapp, Paypal etc have from an external position. The government has advantaged their own players, which is fine but not the same. This I can say from reading and from first-hand experience having worked on growing Paypal in Russia and other emerging markets.
- yogthos 4y ago
  As I recall, Russia did allow Google and Fb to operate while Yandex and VK were ramping up.