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What's wrong with that? Money provides opportunity to do as you please. I say this as a person who never had to worry a day in my life about money, because I t

What's wrong with that? Money provides opportunity to do as you please. I say this as a person who never had to worry a day in my life about money, because I thought programming was super interesting, and learned C when I was 12, and made more money than both my parents combined by the time I was 18. It was never about money for me, but I wouldn't blame anyone for doing it for the paycheck. Falling in line with conventional viewpoints rarely gets you kudos, since it is what most people do.

osigurdson 4y ago
There is nothing wrong with trying to earn the most money you can. I don't enjoy working with people who don't enjoy what they are doing however.
- onion2k 4y ago
  I don't enjoy working with people who don't enjoy what they are doing however. I wonder if your manager feels the same way you feel about code, but about meetings. Maybe they wish you'd chosen a career that paid less because you don't enjoy meetings. You probably drag their working day right down by not finding meetings super fun.
  - VFIT7CTO77TOC 4y ago
    If you become a novelist not because you want to tell stories but because you want to sell a few books, don't be surprised when nobody likes your novels
    - CM30 4y ago
      Isn't that how Garfield came into existence? Jon Davis created the character because he'd be marketable, and has turned the series into a merchandising empire as a result.
  - wiseowise 4y ago
    Except it is code that moves their company, not meetings. Anyways, their manager can stick their opinion where the sun doesn’t shine, just OP does probably since it’s anticlimactic to express opinions like that.
  - ngc248 4y ago
    The meetings are not the product. The code implements the product, so this analogy falls flat.
    - onion2k 4y ago
      Communication is pretty much the most important part of the process of building software at scale. Meetings are a simple way of having that communication quickly. Without communication (eg meetings) most software would fail to ship, largely because the developers would never stop working on it long enough to push it over the line.
  - osigurdson 4y ago
    Meetings are of course necessary. The problem is pointless meetings.
boppo1 4y ago
As a 30 year old learning C and C++ (a project I want to contribute to uses both), where does one look to earn money with said languages? To land entry level jobs? I have some genuine interest and it won't be ling until I'm able to write small to medium programs. At that point working in an unrelated field is a bottleneck because I don't have time to spend programming. Hence I need a job so I can focus my time on actually doing it. Any advice? How I prove I'm good enough for entry level even though I'm "old" without a relevant degree? Avoiding employers that will push bad coding habits on me?
- geitir 4y ago
  C and C++ are pretty specialized this day and age in my opinion, you might have better opportunities breaking into a programming career if you at least get working knowledge of more popular languages
  - boppo1 4y ago
    I've done some projects in python and JS. I just never felt confident in what was really going on. Reading K&R helped me connect a lot of dots.
zelphirkalt 4y ago
The problem is usually, that without love for the craft, they do not have good chances to actually learn important lessons, because those are not taught in your mainstream OOP or algorithm classes. If their approach is to slam hyped frameworks together until it works, because dinner is at 7, then the outcome will be annoying to work with for people, who do learn their lessons and love the craft. They love the craft, but get their work environment made worse, by some "everything must be React/JS" kinda guy. Or by some guy who has only ever used Java for 10 years and has the idea of noun=class so calcified in their brain, that they think that is the definition OOP and makes the whole code base worse.

osigurdson 4y ago

There is nothing wrong with trying to earn the most money you can. I don't enjoy working with people who don't enjoy what they are doing however.

onion2k 4y ago
I don't enjoy working with people who don't enjoy what they are doing however. I wonder if your manager feels the same way you feel about code, but about meetings. Maybe they wish you'd chosen a career that paid less because you don't enjoy meetings. You probably drag their working day right down by not finding meetings super fun.
- VFIT7CTO77TOC 4y ago
  If you become a novelist not because you want to tell stories but because you want to sell a few books, don't be surprised when nobody likes your novels
  - CM30 4y ago
    Isn't that how Garfield came into existence? Jon Davis created the character because he'd be marketable, and has turned the series into a merchandising empire as a result.
- wiseowise 4y ago
  Except it is code that moves their company, not meetings. Anyways, their manager can stick their opinion where the sun doesn’t shine, just OP does probably since it’s anticlimactic to express opinions like that.
- ngc248 4y ago
  The meetings are not the product. The code implements the product, so this analogy falls flat.
  - onion2k 4y ago
    Communication is pretty much the most important part of the process of building software at scale. Meetings are a simple way of having that communication quickly. Without communication (eg meetings) most software would fail to ship, largely because the developers would never stop working on it long enough to push it over the line.
- osigurdson 4y ago
  Meetings are of course necessary. The problem is pointless meetings.

boppo1 4y ago

As a 30 year old learning C and C++ (a project I want to contribute to uses both), where does one look to earn money with said languages? To land entry level jobs? I have some genuine interest and it won't be ling until I'm able to write small to medium programs. At that point working in an unrelated field is a bottleneck because I don't have time to spend programming. Hence I need a job so I can focus my time on actually doing it. Any advice? How I prove I'm good enough for entry level even though I'm "old" without a relevant degree? Avoiding employers that will push bad coding habits on me?

geitir 4y ago
C and C++ are pretty specialized this day and age in my opinion, you might have better opportunities breaking into a programming career if you at least get working knowledge of more popular languages
- boppo1 4y ago
  I've done some projects in python and JS. I just never felt confident in what was really going on. Reading K&R helped me connect a lot of dots.

zelphirkalt 4y ago

The problem is usually, that without love for the craft, they do not have good chances to actually learn important lessons, because those are not taught in your mainstream OOP or algorithm classes. If their approach is to slam hyped frameworks together until it works, because dinner is at 7, then the outcome will be annoying to work with for people, who do learn their lessons and love the craft. They love the craft, but get their work environment made worse, by some "everything must be React/JS" kinda guy. Or by some guy who has only ever used Java for 10 years and has the idea of noun=class so calcified in their brain, that they think that is the definition OOP and makes the whole code base worse.