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Can someone from her era be a citizen via refugee status (due to her post-war germany and cuban history)? Not having an SSN is something that makes me wonder ab

by aliqot 4y ago

Can someone from her era be a citizen via refugee status (due to her post-war germany and cuban history)? Not having an SSN is something that makes me wonder about her status and how she was able to subsist so long without being hassled about her immigration status.

ggm 4y ago
"Being hassled about your immigration status" is very much a matter of somebody chosing to bring it to the attention of some competent authority who choses to take action. Choice is strong in this. Not that I like the authorities can and do choose who to hassle, but I believe it to be the reality. TL;DR in a sanatorium with bills being met or in the right sanatorium as an indigent, there is no necessary role for immigration authorities, unless somebody "poked the bear"
- bombcar 4y ago
  Another way to look at it is to realize how rarely you need to prove who you are, let alone your legal residency. If you have someone to live with, you can subsist for quite a long time before anyone notices, and even then, will they care?
- psychphysic 4y ago
  Within the UK those accessing the NHS might be asked to prove elibility by dedicated teams. If they can't prove it they will be billed 150% of the nominal NHS cost (still cheap in grand scheme of things). No one has ever shown the process to be cost effective. Nor is it terrible efficient as the vast majority of healthcare professionals do not proactively engage with the process. (Likely as they feel underpaid to do their actual job and are unwilling to take on a police role).
  - mmarq 4y ago
    More likely because the job of a doctor is to save lives and not to discourage patients from seeking help because they’ve become an informant for the immigration Gestapo
    - mantas 4y ago
      Who is paying the doctor if patient is not insured? Unless doctor wants to work pro bono on his own time.
      - mmarq 4y ago
        I think that we should really (1) stop thinking that immigration is a problem and (2) obsess about it and (3) make up ex-post rationalisations for idiotic anti-immigration policies. The day after the A&E becomes a branch of the immigration Gestapo, illegal immigrants will stop seeking medical advice. Even some legal immigrants may be scared away. Apart from the obvious humanitarian concerns, guess what happens if these people catch a dangerous contagious disease.
        mantas 4y ago
        Ah yes, let the citizens pay for illegal migrants healthcare while business owners capitalize on cheap workforce. Externalise expenses, internalise profits. Yay. And yes, immigration is a problem once it becomes a way to fuck over local workforce.
        mmarq 4y ago
        Oh, well, and I don’t like paying for the local poor and for the work-shy. What do we do about it? If we can let them die, then you are coherent. If we only let die the foreigner, you are being a xenophobe. Controlling immigration, assuming it’s an issue, is the job of the border police, not of the doctor.
        mantas 4y ago
        WTF is „work-shy“? Unemployed-and-happy-about it? Either you work, in education or pay up for your time off. Not all „foreigners“ is illegal migrants. Doctor should control insurance status. Regardless if it's local or illegal migrant. Locals abusing insurance by working under table and not paying insurance is same BS.
alar44 4y ago
I lost my SS card 20 years ago and it's never been needed for anything ever.
- maratc 4y ago
  - michaericalribo 4y ago
    Social Security != Nazi SS
    - weard_beard 4y ago
      I think the very intentional conflating of the two is a joke. Not sure what the implication is though.
- appleflaxen 4y ago
  Losing your card is not the same thing as not having a number assigned to you. There is a huge difference.
epc 4y ago
She is a caucasian woman living on Central Park, she’s not going to get hassled about her immigration status (which, according to the article, is LPR).
xyzzyz 4y ago
Basically nobody is hassled about their immigration status in the US these days, except when they either are caught crossing the border, or commit a serious crime which in latter case sometimes results in expulsion. But other than these two, pretty much no explicit hassling.

by aliqot 4y ago

ggm 4y ago

"Being hassled about your immigration status" is very much a matter of somebody chosing to bring it to the attention of some competent authority who choses to take action. Choice is strong in this. Not that I like the authorities can and do choose who to hassle, but I believe it to be the reality. TL;DR in a sanatorium with bills being met or in the right sanatorium as an indigent, there is no necessary role for immigration authorities, unless somebody "poked the bear"

bombcar 4y ago
Another way to look at it is to realize how rarely you need to prove who you are, let alone your legal residency. If you have someone to live with, you can subsist for quite a long time before anyone notices, and even then, will they care?
psychphysic 4y ago
Within the UK those accessing the NHS might be asked to prove elibility by dedicated teams. If they can't prove it they will be billed 150% of the nominal NHS cost (still cheap in grand scheme of things). No one has ever shown the process to be cost effective. Nor is it terrible efficient as the vast majority of healthcare professionals do not proactively engage with the process. (Likely as they feel underpaid to do their actual job and are unwilling to take on a police role).
- mmarq 4y ago
  More likely because the job of a doctor is to save lives and not to discourage patients from seeking help because they’ve become an informant for the immigration Gestapo
  - mantas 4y ago
    Who is paying the doctor if patient is not insured? Unless doctor wants to work pro bono on his own time.
    - mmarq 4y ago
      I think that we should really (1) stop thinking that immigration is a problem and (2) obsess about it and (3) make up ex-post rationalisations for idiotic anti-immigration policies. The day after the A&E becomes a branch of the immigration Gestapo, illegal immigrants will stop seeking medical advice. Even some legal immigrants may be scared away. Apart from the obvious humanitarian concerns, guess what happens if these people catch a dangerous contagious disease.
      - mantas 4y ago
        Ah yes, let the citizens pay for illegal migrants healthcare while business owners capitalize on cheap workforce. Externalise expenses, internalise profits. Yay. And yes, immigration is a problem once it becomes a way to fuck over local workforce.
        mmarq 4y ago
        Oh, well, and I don’t like paying for the local poor and for the work-shy. What do we do about it? If we can let them die, then you are coherent. If we only let die the foreigner, you are being a xenophobe. Controlling immigration, assuming it’s an issue, is the job of the border police, not of the doctor.
        mantas 4y ago
        WTF is „work-shy“? Unemployed-and-happy-about it? Either you work, in education or pay up for your time off. Not all „foreigners“ is illegal migrants. Doctor should control insurance status. Regardless if it's local or illegal migrant. Locals abusing insurance by working under table and not paying insurance is same BS.

alar44 4y ago

I lost my SS card 20 years ago and it's never been needed for anything ever.

maratc 4y ago
- michaericalribo 4y ago
  Social Security != Nazi SS
  - weard_beard 4y ago
    I think the very intentional conflating of the two is a joke. Not sure what the implication is though.
appleflaxen 4y ago
Losing your card is not the same thing as not having a number assigned to you. There is a huge difference.

epc 4y ago

She is a caucasian woman living on Central Park, she’s not going to get hassled about her immigration status (which, according to the article, is LPR).

xyzzyz 4y ago

Basically nobody is hassled about their immigration status in the US these days, except when they either are caught crossing the border, or commit a serious crime which in latter case sometimes results in expulsion. But other than these two, pretty much no explicit hassling.