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If you are to insist that you are an actual leftist and that these organizations are not even vaguely left-leaning, I'd like to know how you define the term "le

by least 4y ago

If you are to insist that you are an actual leftist and that these organizations are not even vaguely left-leaning, I'd like to know how you define the term "leftist" and "left," as they clearly deviate from what many people intuit. My best guess is you think anything but pure anti-capitalism must be right-wing, but if you view the left-right ideology spectrum as a reflection one's views on economic policies, it's quite clear that would not be the case.

forgetfreeman 4y ago
"I'd like to know how you define the term "leftist" and "left," as they clearly deviate from what many people intuit." You don't get to hold me accountable for others failures. If you're hazy on the definition of the term "leftist" I expect google could help you with that.
- least 4y ago
  > You don't get to hold me accountable for others failures. If you're hazy on the definition of the term "leftist" I expect google could help you with that. I'm holding you accountable for self describing yourself as an "actual leftist," which obviously means your idea of what it leftist means deviates from what is the commonly held belief. The person you initially responded to said that all the sources the person listed was left-wing. You obviously took issue with that but you failed to explain why they're not, you simply used it as an excuse to lazily jab at the right-wingers. If you don't want people to hold you accountable for your words, don't make asinine comments completely devoid of substance.
  - forgetfreeman 4y ago
    Commonly held belief by whom? Right wing extremists who think anything short of you-keep-what-you-kill libertarianism is a commie plot? Neoliberals who bandy about the term "left" while flogging center-right economic policy? "commonly held belief" being unable to accurately place political ideologies on the political spectrum is due to 4 parts political expedience (how do you accuse your opponents of being communists if they're on the same side of the political spectrum as you?) and 1 part dull-eyed credulity, none of which is my fault. Incidentally, assinine is veering off topic to try to fabricate a shit-flinging contest over easily defined vocabulary terms. You certain you've got a handle on who the ass is in this exchange?
    - least 4y ago
      Leftist: a person with left-wing political views Left-Wing: the section of a political party or system that advocates for greater social and economic equality, and typically favors socially liberal ideas; the liberal or progressive group or section. There you go. Those are the definitions provided from the Oxford English Dictionary. These clearly fall in line with what most people think of the terms and coincide neatly with what the above person was suggesting — those publications are left-wing. > being unable to accurately place political ideologies on the political spectrum This is largely because the the left-right political spectrum is bogus. Clearly you think you're a "real" leftist even though your idea of leftism is quite clearly contradictory to its definition which was my whole point. You had an opportunity to elucidate your point of view but instead you expect other people not only to perform that labor for you, but get upset when it doesn't match your head canon. No one else knows what "Leftist" means to you except you. > Incidentally, assinine is veering off topic to try to fabricate a shit-flinging contest over easily defined vocabulary terms. You certain you've got a handle on who the ass is in this exchange? The whole conversation is about what words mean, so no, it's not veering off topic. If one person says "These publications are left-wing" and you say "I'm a real leftist and I say they're not," it is not unreasonable to ask you to define those terms. You are contradicting them, it absolutely is your fault when you don't define what those terms mean from your point of view. So I once again ask you, what is a "leftist" and what is "left-wing," from your point of view? If you can't even define them, how can you claim to be them?
      - forgetfreeman 4y ago
        Thank you for illustrating my point so vividly.
        least 4y ago
        I'm sorry that you find it difficult to be confronted with any sort of dissent that might force you to have to consider what your values actually are, which apparently cannot be defined. Spend some time thinking about what they are before telling other people they're wrong about it.

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forgetfreeman 4y ago

"I'd like to know how you define the term "leftist" and "left," as they clearly deviate from what many people intuit." You don't get to hold me accountable for others failures. If you're hazy on the definition of the term "leftist" I expect google could help you with that.

least 4y ago
> You don't get to hold me accountable for others failures. If you're hazy on the definition of the term "leftist" I expect google could help you with that. I'm holding you accountable for self describing yourself as an "actual leftist," which obviously means your idea of what it leftist means deviates from what is the commonly held belief. The person you initially responded to said that all the sources the person listed was left-wing. You obviously took issue with that but you failed to explain why they're not, you simply used it as an excuse to lazily jab at the right-wingers. If you don't want people to hold you accountable for your words, don't make asinine comments completely devoid of substance.
- forgetfreeman 4y ago
  Commonly held belief by whom? Right wing extremists who think anything short of you-keep-what-you-kill libertarianism is a commie plot? Neoliberals who bandy about the term "left" while flogging center-right economic policy? "commonly held belief" being unable to accurately place political ideologies on the political spectrum is due to 4 parts political expedience (how do you accuse your opponents of being communists if they're on the same side of the political spectrum as you?) and 1 part dull-eyed credulity, none of which is my fault. Incidentally, assinine is veering off topic to try to fabricate a shit-flinging contest over easily defined vocabulary terms. You certain you've got a handle on who the ass is in this exchange?
  - least 4y ago
    Leftist: a person with left-wing political views Left-Wing: the section of a political party or system that advocates for greater social and economic equality, and typically favors socially liberal ideas; the liberal or progressive group or section. There you go. Those are the definitions provided from the Oxford English Dictionary. These clearly fall in line with what most people think of the terms and coincide neatly with what the above person was suggesting — those publications are left-wing. > being unable to accurately place political ideologies on the political spectrum This is largely because the the left-right political spectrum is bogus. Clearly you think you're a "real" leftist even though your idea of leftism is quite clearly contradictory to its definition which was my whole point. You had an opportunity to elucidate your point of view but instead you expect other people not only to perform that labor for you, but get upset when it doesn't match your head canon. No one else knows what "Leftist" means to you except you. > Incidentally, assinine is veering off topic to try to fabricate a shit-flinging contest over easily defined vocabulary terms. You certain you've got a handle on who the ass is in this exchange? The whole conversation is about what words mean, so no, it's not veering off topic. If one person says "These publications are left-wing" and you say "I'm a real leftist and I say they're not," it is not unreasonable to ask you to define those terms. You are contradicting them, it absolutely is your fault when you don't define what those terms mean from your point of view. So I once again ask you, what is a "leftist" and what is "left-wing," from your point of view? If you can't even define them, how can you claim to be them?
    - forgetfreeman 4y ago
      Thank you for illustrating my point so vividly.
      - least 4y ago
        I'm sorry that you find it difficult to be confronted with any sort of dissent that might force you to have to consider what your values actually are, which apparently cannot be defined. Spend some time thinking about what they are before telling other people they're wrong about it.