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Integrity is what people complain about when they aren’t willing to pay up for aligned incentives. You need aligned incentives.

PixyMisa 4y ago
No, just the facts.
- kbenson 4y ago
  The current media gives you facts. They just present them in specific ways or downplay or omit other facts. Getting all the facts is as bad as getting no facts, because we aren't capable of paraing then all. Curation of facts is what these companies do, and how they curate them is how they express their bias. News companies aren't lying (even if some pundits do). They just present facts in ways to support the narrative they want. It is impossible to relay facts without doing so, but how objective they are and how much vias is injected is variable.
  - systemvoltage 4y ago
    Omission of critical aspects seems more insidious than straight up lies. At least with the latter, you can dispute it. The former, hides behind the facade of integrity while doing more covert damage.
    - SV_BubbleTime 4y ago
      Ah, yes. I too listen to NPR occasionally.
- ekianjo 4y ago
  > No, just the facts. Facts are meaningless without proper context. You can take the same facts and present them under a different light and get completely different stories. Check "selective editing" if you are not aware of the term.
gruez 4y ago
How is "aligned incentives" supposed to help integrity? We've seen with partisan news media that not having integrity (ie. being biased and catering to one side) is a viable business strategy.
- throwawaysleep 4y ago
  The people professing the need for it need to be willing to as aggressively fund journalists as much as the ardent supporters of a cause.
- barry-cotter 4y ago
  If the incentives are aligned it doesn’t matter whether people have integrity. They do what they need to do to win and winning is the the thing we want them to do. That’s the whole point. I don’t think hedge funds are bastions of integrity but their incentives are fully lined up. If you make a lot of money for your clients you get a lot of money.

PixyMisa 4y ago

No, just the facts.

kbenson 4y ago
The current media gives you facts. They just present them in specific ways or downplay or omit other facts. Getting all the facts is as bad as getting no facts, because we aren't capable of paraing then all. Curation of facts is what these companies do, and how they curate them is how they express their bias. News companies aren't lying (even if some pundits do). They just present facts in ways to support the narrative they want. It is impossible to relay facts without doing so, but how objective they are and how much vias is injected is variable.
- systemvoltage 4y ago
  Omission of critical aspects seems more insidious than straight up lies. At least with the latter, you can dispute it. The former, hides behind the facade of integrity while doing more covert damage.
  - SV_BubbleTime 4y ago
    Ah, yes. I too listen to NPR occasionally.
ekianjo 4y ago
> No, just the facts. Facts are meaningless without proper context. You can take the same facts and present them under a different light and get completely different stories. Check "selective editing" if you are not aware of the term.

gruez 4y ago

How is "aligned incentives" supposed to help integrity? We've seen with partisan news media that not having integrity (ie. being biased and catering to one side) is a viable business strategy.

throwawaysleep 4y ago
The people professing the need for it need to be willing to as aggressively fund journalists as much as the ardent supporters of a cause.
barry-cotter 4y ago
If the incentives are aligned it doesn’t matter whether people have integrity. They do what they need to do to win and winning is the the thing we want them to do. That’s the whole point. I don’t think hedge funds are bastions of integrity but their incentives are fully lined up. If you make a lot of money for your clients you get a lot of money.