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I'm going to ask the dumb question here - how is this at the top with zero discussion? If I need to get dunked for asking that's fine, but I don't understand, s

I'm going to ask the dumb question here - how is this at the top with zero discussion? If I need to get dunked for asking that's fine, but I don't understand, since HackerNews is suppose to be a place for high quality discussion on tech.

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augustuspolius 4y ago
This plugin could potentially be a big deal. PureData has been around for decades but fell behind Max and/or MaxMSP mostly (IMO) due to usability limitations. If more people will be able to incorporate PureData organically into their workflow, it could create a real alternative to Max4Live in DAWs other than Live. I could fantasize even further. A PureData plug-in could kickstart a VCVRack type effort - an open source library of interconnected audio processing modules.
- timothyschoen 4y ago
  You can get close to this VCVRack idea by combining automatonism with PlugData
  - singingfish 4y ago
    I had a look at automationism, but don't really like how it imposes the CV concept in an environment where it doesn't make much sense (to me) - but is still fun to fiddle with. I came across a toolkit[1] yesterday which is similar but doesn't impose analogue concepts on the workflow in the same manner. Also not as polished in the GUI sense either mind you, but the guy who wrote it makes really good occasional pd tutorials on youtube as well[2] [1] https://github.com/algomusic/Live-Coding-Toolkit-for-Pure-Data https://github.com/algomusic/Live-Coding-Toolkit-for-Pure-Da... [2] https://www.youtube.com/user/QCGInteractiveMusic https://www.youtube.com/user/QCGInteractiveMusic
- PaulDavisThe1st 4y ago
  VCV Rack is already open source. What would be the benefit of duplicating the 2000+ modules already present in Rack with PureData?
  - augustuspolius 4y ago
    The advantage of this PureData plugin and Max4Live over VCVRack is that you can edit the patch on the fly right in the DAW (in addition to the fact that visual programming is way more accessible than a compiled language).
    - jsilence 4y ago
      Just FYI: you can do that too with a VST fork of VCVRack called Cardinal: https://github.com/DISTRHO/Cardinal https://github.com/DISTRHO/Cardinal
      - bambax 4y ago
        Yes. There os also a commercial initiative by the author of VCV to have it as a VST im the DAW. The difference between the two are that Cardinal only accepts open source modules and is packaged with all of them, while the VCV official VST lets you download modules on the fly.
        NickC25 4y ago
        +1 for the VCV VST. The fact that it's paid might be a turn off for some, but I've found it to be really useful, and it works really well inside of Ableton. Can't speak for other DAWs but having been using it for the past 6 months or so, it's been fantastic. Does anyone know of good resources for folks who want to develop their own modules for VCV rack?
        augustuspolius 4y ago
        v2 doesn't have native Apple Silicon compatibility yet. Rumors are we will need to wait for the v3 release. In terms of the dev resources: 1. Here is a basic official tutorial: https://vcvrack.com/manual/PluginDevelopmentTutorial https://vcvrack.com/manual/PluginDevelopmentTutorial 2. A pretty good video tutorial: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d670AFZKGnw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d670AFZKGnw
kennyloginz 4y ago
This is cool if you are interested in digital synthesis. Pure data and max/ msp have a long and complicated history. Very nice to see that pure data is still keeping up vs the ableton live / max programs.
dang 4y ago
It often takes a while for comments to start showing up. That can be a good sign, actually—interesting reactions often take a while, since processing information takes time. Quick reflexive responses are often a bit mechanical/predictable.
- theknocker 4y ago
cl0ckt0wer 4y ago
I just assumed astroturfing
spindle 4y ago
Hacker News has moderators who can place things at the top of the page regardless of votes. Personally I think they've been do a great job, but YMMV.
sudara 4y ago
Good q! I’m an audio dev who thought the general community might appreciate the project. It’s a cool effort (my primary beef with pd was always the UI)
anigbrowl 4y ago
PD is pretty popular and also has the distinction of being first-of-its-kind in many respects, so a major UX overhaul would automatically attract approval. Also the front page on HN is a lot less 'competitive' on the weekends.

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augustuspolius 4y ago

This plugin could potentially be a big deal. PureData has been around for decades but fell behind Max and/or MaxMSP mostly (IMO) due to usability limitations. If more people will be able to incorporate PureData organically into their workflow, it could create a real alternative to Max4Live in DAWs other than Live. I could fantasize even further. A PureData plug-in could kickstart a VCVRack type effort - an open source library of interconnected audio processing modules.

timothyschoen 4y ago
You can get close to this VCVRack idea by combining automatonism with PlugData
- singingfish 4y ago
  I had a look at automationism, but don't really like how it imposes the CV concept in an environment where it doesn't make much sense (to me) - but is still fun to fiddle with. I came across a toolkit[1] yesterday which is similar but doesn't impose analogue concepts on the workflow in the same manner. Also not as polished in the GUI sense either mind you, but the guy who wrote it makes really good occasional pd tutorials on youtube as well[2] [1] https://github.com/algomusic/Live-Coding-Toolkit-for-Pure-Data https://github.com/algomusic/Live-Coding-Toolkit-for-Pure-Da... [2] https://www.youtube.com/user/QCGInteractiveMusic https://www.youtube.com/user/QCGInteractiveMusic
PaulDavisThe1st 4y ago
VCV Rack is already open source. What would be the benefit of duplicating the 2000+ modules already present in Rack with PureData?
- augustuspolius 4y ago
  The advantage of this PureData plugin and Max4Live over VCVRack is that you can edit the patch on the fly right in the DAW (in addition to the fact that visual programming is way more accessible than a compiled language).
  - jsilence 4y ago
    Just FYI: you can do that too with a VST fork of VCVRack called Cardinal: https://github.com/DISTRHO/Cardinal https://github.com/DISTRHO/Cardinal
    - bambax 4y ago
      Yes. There os also a commercial initiative by the author of VCV to have it as a VST im the DAW. The difference between the two are that Cardinal only accepts open source modules and is packaged with all of them, while the VCV official VST lets you download modules on the fly.
      - NickC25 4y ago
        +1 for the VCV VST. The fact that it's paid might be a turn off for some, but I've found it to be really useful, and it works really well inside of Ableton. Can't speak for other DAWs but having been using it for the past 6 months or so, it's been fantastic. Does anyone know of good resources for folks who want to develop their own modules for VCV rack?
        augustuspolius 4y ago
        v2 doesn't have native Apple Silicon compatibility yet. Rumors are we will need to wait for the v3 release. In terms of the dev resources: 1. Here is a basic official tutorial: https://vcvrack.com/manual/PluginDevelopmentTutorial https://vcvrack.com/manual/PluginDevelopmentTutorial 2. A pretty good video tutorial: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d670AFZKGnw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d670AFZKGnw

kennyloginz 4y ago

This is cool if you are interested in digital synthesis. Pure data and max/ msp have a long and complicated history. Very nice to see that pure data is still keeping up vs the ableton live / max programs.

dang 4y ago

It often takes a while for comments to start showing up. That can be a good sign, actually—interesting reactions often take a while, since processing information takes time. Quick reflexive responses are often a bit mechanical/predictable.

theknocker 4y ago

cl0ckt0wer 4y ago

I just assumed astroturfing

spindle 4y ago

Hacker News has moderators who can place things at the top of the page regardless of votes. Personally I think they've been do a great job, but YMMV.

sudara 4y ago

Good q! I’m an audio dev who thought the general community might appreciate the project. It’s a cool effort (my primary beef with pd was always the UI)

anigbrowl 4y ago

PD is pretty popular and also has the distinction of being first-of-its-kind in many respects, so a major UX overhaul would automatically attract approval. Also the front page on HN is a lot less 'competitive' on the weekends.