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> She also noted that when you search on these terms the main engines (all run by cloud service providers) return poor results not congruent with the scale of t

> She also noted that when you search on these terms the main engines (all run by cloud service providers) return poor results not congruent with the scale of the phenomenon. They are dominated by the opposite message obviously heavily SEO'd up to the top, plus shill pieces pushing cloud services but presented as "critical". Dig deep if you want to find the real scale of the "anti-cloud" issues. Are you really suggesting that search engine providers are manipulating their own search results to bury some sort of hidden "truth" about a people leaving the cloud? Suggesting that people need to "dig deep" to find the real scale of the issue sounds a lot like the "do your own research" line that gets attached to dubious conspiracy theories. The simple explanation is that your student simply anchored her personal beliefs to an idea that this was a large movement, but her light research didn't match her pre-conceived beliefs. This is how conspiracy theories are born. Regardless, this claim doesn't hold up to even basic scrutiny. I just Googled for "cloud repatriation" and all of the results are think pieces about why moving out of the cloud is a good thing. Try it for yourself: https://www.google.com/search?q=%22cloud+repatriation%22&oq=%22cloud+repatriation%22 https://www.google.com/search?q=%22cloud+repatriation%22&oq=... > A good example was the broadcast industry. Entire branches of that industry doing post-production, colour, transcoding, and whatnot moved it all out to AWS. After price hikes, they wanted to go back to running their own services. But they can't. Because nobody knows about how to set-up and run that any longer - especially specialist things like buffers and transcoders. I mean, try finding a sys-admin who can just do simple tasks like set up and properly configure a mail server these days. If you can't find sysadmins with basic competencies or engineers who can build systems as simple as buffering and transcoding, I can almost guarantee that the real issue is that you're not paying enough for the position. Either that, or the applicants can recognize from a mile away that your company is not the kind of place that skilled engineers actually want to work for. Don't mistake your lack of candidates for a lack of skill in the market.

dirtball_ 4y ago
That's right! It's a management problem through and through. Always has been.
majormajor 4y ago
It's less likely that search engines would manipulate this and much much much more likely that the SEO'd commercial content would be dominated by "move to the cloud!" type stuff because that's what's easy to sell these days. "Don't move to the cloud!" is hard to make money by selling to places not in the cloud. "Move out of the cloud" is harder to sell to places in the cloud than "move to the cloud" is to sell to places not in the cloud, because (a) bigger orgs with big budgets to make money off of tend to be older and not in the cloud fully in the first place and (b) moving out of the cloud is less turn-key - every client is going to be different and likely lower-margin than pushing clients into the same set of existing packaged cloud services. That said, I'm not aware of any companies from people in my network that are actively moving out of the cloud... so I also don't buy that it's a big trend.
diogofranco 4y ago
I find the "you're not paying enough" argument a little strange. By definition, not every company can pay top of market and get the most skilled engineers. If the average engineer doesn't have a certain skill, I think it's fair to say that it's hard to hire for it, because it will be for the average company.
bachmeier 4y ago
> Are you really suggesting that search engine providers are manipulating their own search results to bury some sort of hidden "truth" about a people leaving the cloud? Suggesting that people need to "dig deep" to find the real scale of the issue sounds a lot like the "do your own research" line that gets attached to dubious conspiracy theories. I don't have any knowledge of the particular topic, but you're suggesting that firms maximizing profit is a lunatic conspiracy theory. May not be what you intended, but your toxic comment was a bit nutty.
- hinkley 4y ago
  I think every place I've worked has acknowledged at least one happy accident and moved on. The thing with antitrust laws and anti collusion laws is that when you get big enough, you're not allowed to just notice such things and ignore them. Not unlike how larger animals and people have to be more careful where they step.

dirtball_ 4y ago

That's right! It's a management problem through and through. Always has been.

majormajor 4y ago

It's less likely that search engines would manipulate this and much much much more likely that the SEO'd commercial content would be dominated by "move to the cloud!" type stuff because that's what's easy to sell these days. "Don't move to the cloud!" is hard to make money by selling to places not in the cloud. "Move out of the cloud" is harder to sell to places in the cloud than "move to the cloud" is to sell to places not in the cloud, because (a) bigger orgs with big budgets to make money off of tend to be older and not in the cloud fully in the first place and (b) moving out of the cloud is less turn-key - every client is going to be different and likely lower-margin than pushing clients into the same set of existing packaged cloud services. That said, I'm not aware of any companies from people in my network that are actively moving out of the cloud... so I also don't buy that it's a big trend.

diogofranco 4y ago

I find the "you're not paying enough" argument a little strange. By definition, not every company can pay top of market and get the most skilled engineers. If the average engineer doesn't have a certain skill, I think it's fair to say that it's hard to hire for it, because it will be for the average company.

bachmeier 4y ago

> Are you really suggesting that search engine providers are manipulating their own search results to bury some sort of hidden "truth" about a people leaving the cloud? Suggesting that people need to "dig deep" to find the real scale of the issue sounds a lot like the "do your own research" line that gets attached to dubious conspiracy theories. I don't have any knowledge of the particular topic, but you're suggesting that firms maximizing profit is a lunatic conspiracy theory. May not be what you intended, but your toxic comment was a bit nutty.

hinkley 4y ago
I think every place I've worked has acknowledged at least one happy accident and moved on. The thing with antitrust laws and anti collusion laws is that when you get big enough, you're not allowed to just notice such things and ignore them. Not unlike how larger animals and people have to be more careful where they step.