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"what kind of bs is this that you cannot have a video on your own cloud drive" "your own cloud" not a single person called out that oxymoron, what a tragedy

smoldesu 4y ago
It's much less ironic when Google makes you agree to an EULA waiving your rights to retaliate when they remove your content with no warning or explaination. Folks, it's simple: if you want to ensure something stays hosted online, host it yourself.
- Eyght 4y ago
  Does the EULA cover leaving a 1 star review? It's a kind of retaliation.
  - smoldesu 4y ago
    Nope, just the legal kind. You're welcome to protest and demonstrate as much as you want, but it's unlikely Google even cares about their B2C sales model. The people who actually pay for Drive are the business customers who probably aren't subject to the same terms.
- bitwize 4y ago
  If you attempt to host reactionary material online, do not expect your hosting provider or anyone upstream from you to continue providing you service. You are too much of a risk.
  - homonculus1 4y ago
    Why?
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    - bitwize 4y ago
      No one wants to be seen as condoning hate or toxic political opinions.
      - homonculus1 4y ago
        Seen by who? This angle is disingenuous, because no third party is going to single out this file being on Google Drive and punish Google for not censoring it. Admit it, this is 100% autonomous action on the part of Google to suppress ideas and opinions they disapprove of. There is zero external pressure or risk. The excuse of some nebulous toxic miasma is nothing but a fig leaf for exercising political power.
        smoldesu 4y ago
        That's all well-and-good, but it doesn't save you from mob justice. Cloudflare almost had their business collapse until they took proactive action against one of their clients. Google sees the writing on the wall, and they know they can posture themselves as "preserving election integrity" or whatever and get away with it. It's nothing new, and it's certainly wrong, but it's also part of our individual freedom as enterprising Americans. This is what happens when you don't regulate the tech sector, is everyone happy now? Even if it was 100% autonomous opinion-enforcement (which is unlikely, but I'll entertain it), it's 100% Google's right to enforce that. You're on their platform, you don't get to make the rules. If your neighbor gives you a spare shed on their lot, they're not inviting you to decorate it in political regalia and extremist logos. If you become enough of a nuisance, they're probably just going to ask for their shed back and tell you to be more respectful next time.
        pseudo0 4y ago
        > Cloudflare almost had their business collapse until they took proactive action against one of their clients. Do you have any proof of an actual business impact on Cloudflare? Some people were making noise on Twitter, but we all know how meaningless likes and retweets are. Something like a dozen people showed up to the in-person protest, which indicates that the anti-Cloudflare campaign was mostly slacktivism and astroturfing.
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- Markoff 4y ago
  sure, until your server will be cut off by hosting provider, DNS or ISP, but hey you can create your own internet, nobody force you to self censor yourself same as nobody forced people to get vaxxed, people chose to lose their jobs and go through social death because they like it, the illusion of choice...
simplotek 4y ago
> not a single person called out that oxymoron, Not an oxymoron. It's your own service subscription which you use to store your own files, even if it's running on someone else's computer.
- inhumantsar 4y ago
  It might not be an oxymoron, but it is like complaining about the landlord saying no to an aquarium in your rented apartment.
  - falcolas 4y ago
    Less aquarium, more a DVD you’re loaning to friends or inviting the over to watch.
  - josephcsible 4y ago
    Why did you choose to say "aquarium" rather than "table", "chair", or "bed"?
PebblesRox 4y ago
> your own cloud drive? you just use it, its borrowed. It could be stronger but I'd consider the above comment to qualify.
gruez 4y ago
I'm not sure why you decided to cut off "drive" from "cloud drive" in your second quote. From a grammatical perspective "cloud drive" forms one entity, and cutting it off so you can get a juicy quote of "your own cloud" makes no sense.
- superchroma 4y ago
  cloud = someone else's computer that's it at the end of the day, they can and do do whatever they like

smoldesu 4y ago

It's much less ironic when Google makes you agree to an EULA waiving your rights to retaliate when they remove your content with no warning or explaination. Folks, it's simple: if you want to ensure something stays hosted online, host it yourself.

Eyght 4y ago
Does the EULA cover leaving a 1 star review? It's a kind of retaliation.
- smoldesu 4y ago
  Nope, just the legal kind. You're welcome to protest and demonstrate as much as you want, but it's unlikely Google even cares about their B2C sales model. The people who actually pay for Drive are the business customers who probably aren't subject to the same terms.
bitwize 4y ago
If you attempt to host reactionary material online, do not expect your hosting provider or anyone upstream from you to continue providing you service. You are too much of a risk.
- homonculus1 4y ago
  Why?
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  - bitwize 4y ago
    No one wants to be seen as condoning hate or toxic political opinions.
    - homonculus1 4y ago
      Seen by who? This angle is disingenuous, because no third party is going to single out this file being on Google Drive and punish Google for not censoring it. Admit it, this is 100% autonomous action on the part of Google to suppress ideas and opinions they disapprove of. There is zero external pressure or risk. The excuse of some nebulous toxic miasma is nothing but a fig leaf for exercising political power.
      - smoldesu 4y ago
        That's all well-and-good, but it doesn't save you from mob justice. Cloudflare almost had their business collapse until they took proactive action against one of their clients. Google sees the writing on the wall, and they know they can posture themselves as "preserving election integrity" or whatever and get away with it. It's nothing new, and it's certainly wrong, but it's also part of our individual freedom as enterprising Americans. This is what happens when you don't regulate the tech sector, is everyone happy now? Even if it was 100% autonomous opinion-enforcement (which is unlikely, but I'll entertain it), it's 100% Google's right to enforce that. You're on their platform, you don't get to make the rules. If your neighbor gives you a spare shed on their lot, they're not inviting you to decorate it in political regalia and extremist logos. If you become enough of a nuisance, they're probably just going to ask for their shed back and tell you to be more respectful next time.
        pseudo0 4y ago
        > Cloudflare almost had their business collapse until they took proactive action against one of their clients. Do you have any proof of an actual business impact on Cloudflare? Some people were making noise on Twitter, but we all know how meaningless likes and retweets are. Something like a dozen people showed up to the in-person protest, which indicates that the anti-Cloudflare campaign was mostly slacktivism and astroturfing.
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Markoff 4y ago
sure, until your server will be cut off by hosting provider, DNS or ISP, but hey you can create your own internet, nobody force you to self censor yourself same as nobody forced people to get vaxxed, people chose to lose their jobs and go through social death because they like it, the illusion of choice...

simplotek 4y ago

> not a single person called out that oxymoron, Not an oxymoron. It's your own service subscription which you use to store your own files, even if it's running on someone else's computer.

inhumantsar 4y ago
It might not be an oxymoron, but it is like complaining about the landlord saying no to an aquarium in your rented apartment.
- falcolas 4y ago
  Less aquarium, more a DVD you’re loaning to friends or inviting the over to watch.
- josephcsible 4y ago
  Why did you choose to say "aquarium" rather than "table", "chair", or "bed"?

PebblesRox 4y ago

> your own cloud drive? you just use it, its borrowed. It could be stronger but I'd consider the above comment to qualify.

gruez 4y ago

I'm not sure why you decided to cut off "drive" from "cloud drive" in your second quote. From a grammatical perspective "cloud drive" forms one entity, and cutting it off so you can get a juicy quote of "your own cloud" makes no sense.

superchroma 4y ago
cloud = someone else's computer that's it at the end of the day, they can and do do whatever they like