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You can also see how he's really fast. This is a completely different style of archery from Olympic, which has stabilizers and a sight. Olympic style archers "a

You can also see how he's really fast. This is a completely different style of archery from Olympic, which has stabilizers and a sight. Olympic style archers "aim a lot". Lars shoots a different style, which is basically "draw and loose" with very little "aiming". The aiming done in that situation is to basically "look at what you want to hit". Here's a Smarter Every Day episode that shows some of that. You see Byron Ferguson there already putting the arrow on but there's no aiming. When the mint is thrown in the air, he just looks at the mint and instinctively aims and shoots it in mid air. https://youtu.be/Q8Yp9SjCU5E?t=225 https://youtu.be/Q8Yp9SjCU5E?t=225 I recommend the whole episode. Also Legendary Howard Hill: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36R7cLzPNuw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36R7cLzPNuw It's amazing how well this works if you don't need to hit a mint and no worries of shooting a person and even without exactly spined arrows and with just a stick and a string for a bow. Source: I do this for fun (with larger targets).

js2 4y ago
> Lars shoots a different style, which is basically "draw and loose" with very little "aiming". The aiming done in that situation is to basically "look at what you want to hit". Indeed, it's closer to a field athlete (basketball, soccer, etc) shooting/throwing a ball.
bombcar 4y ago
There’s a similar form of pistol shooting I like to call “point and click” involving using your middle finger for the trigger and your pointer finger pointing down the barrel. Basically finger guns with a gun. Works surprisingly well for unsighted shots.
- hyperhopper 4y ago
  Surprisingly well, but likely not worth actually using. Good video testing this method: https://youtu.be/FJN0_REGoL0 https://youtu.be/FJN0_REGoL0
TomVDB 4y ago
Reminds me of the "Can I move? ... I'm better when I move" scene... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AoCK5r2TWg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AoCK5r2TWg
mmanfrin 4y ago
> Lars shoots a different style, which is basically "draw and loose" with very little "aiming". The aiming done in that situation is to basically "look at what you want to hit". Reminds me of a friend's bachelor party out in the woods where we were shooting guns. A couple friends brought big revolvers and so I tried shooting them at some targets. Missed every one. I decided if I wasn't gonna hit anything, I should at least have fun, so I took two of them and did a Yosemite Sam impression firing them akimbo at the targets in rapid fire and I heard a PING PING PING PING of 4 shots hit in a row from 2 different guns fired in tandem. Sometimes the best aim is no aiming at all.
- pencilguin 4y ago
  US military had a training program for this some decades back (Viet Nam era?) called, IIRC, "Quick Kill". Gun was held well below shoulder level, and pointed by whole-trunk motion.
- Nextgrid 4y ago
  If video game experience is of any relevance, I noticed that taking shots on the move with no time to react yields better results than consciously aiming. There are times where I have time to line up my shot and track the enemy in my sights and yet in some cases I miss all my shots (I actually end up being out of sync with the enemy’s lateral moves, essentially lagging behind). On the other hand, there are times where an enemy surprises me and I move my mouse in a sudden motion, shooting while it’s still moving - I manage to land the vast majority of those shots (sometimes shooting twice in panic, but the first one turns out to be a hit - this is on PC so no aim assist as far as I know). Not that I would like to “prove” this hypothesis in actual combat, but I wonder if taking shots “by feel” is actually better than doing so carefully and consciously.
  - saulpw 4y ago
    Sundance: "I'm better when I move" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbhI31AWzns https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbhI31AWzns
  - dagmx 4y ago
Arcanum-XIII 4y ago
It’s call instinctive in fact, because, as he explain himself he’s not aiming in the traditional sense. Practicing this style is harder than using an Olympic bow with a visor, but you gain a lot of flexibility in 3D shooting, tricks shoot and other techniques where the distance is not known. As my teachers explains to me, your whole body is used instead of your eyes.
- tharkun__ 4y ago
  Yes exactly. I like Clay Hayes for this kind of stuff https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mzWQ5_1bXtM https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mzWQ5_1bXtM (and the entire channel) in case you aren't aware of him. Lots of "muscle memory". Kind of like someone else mentioned, throwing a ball. You don't have a sight you aim with when you throw a ball. You look at what you want to hit and throw. You don't do that very consciously though. Your body and subconscious just do it for you. Not sure if that was in that video or another one but he trains every day. He's got a deer target right outside his door at a typical range for hunting and every time he walks out he just takes a shot at it (plus a really nice outdoor 3D course right on his property).
teawrecks 4y ago
> I do this for fun (with larger targets). What are we talking? Like a peanut m&m? A macaroon?
- tharkun__ 4y ago
  Sorry, I know that part was ambiguous. I meant shooting my bow using an instinctive aiming technique. I don't throw things in the air usually. Just regular or 3D targets ("3D" in archery terms meaning fake animals). People that do shoot moving targets from what I've seen might just use frisbees or the like. You kinda need a barn full of straw behind it. If you want to learn more about instinctive archery, here's something on that from Clay Hayes ("Alone" season 8 winner): https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mzWQ5_1bXtM https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mzWQ5_1bXtM and the whole channel is full of (serious - not stunt) archery stuff. Here, found youtube footage of him shooting the deer that helped him win: https://youtu.be/tI5812NwiS0?t=86 https://youtu.be/tI5812NwiS0?t=86
conductr 4y ago
Reminds me of my preteen years when shooting rubber bands was a useful skill to have if you wanted to show off. We made up all kinds of competitions and would hit different targets. I even did it at home (practice). I felt like I got pretty good at it. The quick release method was almost always better for me. I had associated the draw and the aim as a fluid motion. If I drew then took time to aim, it was as if my brain would over analyze the situation trying to account for wind/gravity/etc and I had a higher miss rate because of it. I somehow accounted for these things intuitively better than intentionally. But it does take practice to get there.
- fsckboy 4y ago
  there's a great trick I learned for shooting rubber bands, when you pull back to shoot, twist your pullback hand 180 to put a twist in the rubber band, it makes it fly so straight. my sister when she was in college was incredibly good at hitting small things across the room by finger snapping bottle caps.
anigbrowl 4y ago
> Olympic, which has stabilizers and a sight The first time I saw that killed any interest I might have had in 'serious' archery (I was into it as a kid). It's like watching a weightlifter use an exercise machine.

js2 4y ago

> Lars shoots a different style, which is basically "draw and loose" with very little "aiming". The aiming done in that situation is to basically "look at what you want to hit". Indeed, it's closer to a field athlete (basketball, soccer, etc) shooting/throwing a ball.

bombcar 4y ago

There’s a similar form of pistol shooting I like to call “point and click” involving using your middle finger for the trigger and your pointer finger pointing down the barrel. Basically finger guns with a gun. Works surprisingly well for unsighted shots.

hyperhopper 4y ago
Surprisingly well, but likely not worth actually using. Good video testing this method: https://youtu.be/FJN0_REGoL0 https://youtu.be/FJN0_REGoL0

TomVDB 4y ago

Reminds me of the "Can I move? ... I'm better when I move" scene... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AoCK5r2TWg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AoCK5r2TWg

mmanfrin 4y ago

> Lars shoots a different style, which is basically "draw and loose" with very little "aiming". The aiming done in that situation is to basically "look at what you want to hit". Reminds me of a friend's bachelor party out in the woods where we were shooting guns. A couple friends brought big revolvers and so I tried shooting them at some targets. Missed every one. I decided if I wasn't gonna hit anything, I should at least have fun, so I took two of them and did a Yosemite Sam impression firing them akimbo at the targets in rapid fire and I heard a PING PING PING PING of 4 shots hit in a row from 2 different guns fired in tandem. Sometimes the best aim is no aiming at all.

pencilguin 4y ago
US military had a training program for this some decades back (Viet Nam era?) called, IIRC, "Quick Kill". Gun was held well below shoulder level, and pointed by whole-trunk motion.
Nextgrid 4y ago
If video game experience is of any relevance, I noticed that taking shots on the move with no time to react yields better results than consciously aiming. There are times where I have time to line up my shot and track the enemy in my sights and yet in some cases I miss all my shots (I actually end up being out of sync with the enemy’s lateral moves, essentially lagging behind). On the other hand, there are times where an enemy surprises me and I move my mouse in a sudden motion, shooting while it’s still moving - I manage to land the vast majority of those shots (sometimes shooting twice in panic, but the first one turns out to be a hit - this is on PC so no aim assist as far as I know). Not that I would like to “prove” this hypothesis in actual combat, but I wonder if taking shots “by feel” is actually better than doing so carefully and consciously.
- saulpw 4y ago
  Sundance: "I'm better when I move" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbhI31AWzns https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbhI31AWzns
- dagmx 4y ago

Arcanum-XIII 4y ago

It’s call instinctive in fact, because, as he explain himself he’s not aiming in the traditional sense. Practicing this style is harder than using an Olympic bow with a visor, but you gain a lot of flexibility in 3D shooting, tricks shoot and other techniques where the distance is not known. As my teachers explains to me, your whole body is used instead of your eyes.

tharkun__ 4y ago
Yes exactly. I like Clay Hayes for this kind of stuff https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mzWQ5_1bXtM https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mzWQ5_1bXtM (and the entire channel) in case you aren't aware of him. Lots of "muscle memory". Kind of like someone else mentioned, throwing a ball. You don't have a sight you aim with when you throw a ball. You look at what you want to hit and throw. You don't do that very consciously though. Your body and subconscious just do it for you. Not sure if that was in that video or another one but he trains every day. He's got a deer target right outside his door at a typical range for hunting and every time he walks out he just takes a shot at it (plus a really nice outdoor 3D course right on his property).

teawrecks 4y ago

> I do this for fun (with larger targets). What are we talking? Like a peanut m&m? A macaroon?

tharkun__ 4y ago
Sorry, I know that part was ambiguous. I meant shooting my bow using an instinctive aiming technique. I don't throw things in the air usually. Just regular or 3D targets ("3D" in archery terms meaning fake animals). People that do shoot moving targets from what I've seen might just use frisbees or the like. You kinda need a barn full of straw behind it. If you want to learn more about instinctive archery, here's something on that from Clay Hayes ("Alone" season 8 winner): https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mzWQ5_1bXtM https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mzWQ5_1bXtM and the whole channel is full of (serious - not stunt) archery stuff. Here, found youtube footage of him shooting the deer that helped him win: https://youtu.be/tI5812NwiS0?t=86 https://youtu.be/tI5812NwiS0?t=86

conductr 4y ago

Reminds me of my preteen years when shooting rubber bands was a useful skill to have if you wanted to show off. We made up all kinds of competitions and would hit different targets. I even did it at home (practice). I felt like I got pretty good at it. The quick release method was almost always better for me. I had associated the draw and the aim as a fluid motion. If I drew then took time to aim, it was as if my brain would over analyze the situation trying to account for wind/gravity/etc and I had a higher miss rate because of it. I somehow accounted for these things intuitively better than intentionally. But it does take practice to get there.

fsckboy 4y ago
there's a great trick I learned for shooting rubber bands, when you pull back to shoot, twist your pullback hand 180 to put a twist in the rubber band, it makes it fly so straight. my sister when she was in college was incredibly good at hitting small things across the room by finger snapping bottle caps.

anigbrowl 4y ago

> Olympic, which has stabilizers and a sight The first time I saw that killed any interest I might have had in 'serious' archery (I was into it as a kid). It's like watching a weightlifter use an exercise machine.