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I'm angry about the loss of abortion rights federally, the rise of Christian nationalism, politicians lying about election fraud, people calling their enemies

I'm angry about the loss of abortion rights federally, the rise of Christian nationalism, politicians lying about election fraud, people calling their enemies pedophiles and communists, politicans not knowing what those words mean, and facism What is this center you think we are going back to because all I see are far right politicans and the end of American democracy

MichaelCollins 4y ago
> the end of American democracy Granting all the problems you've cited, things have still been much worse in the past than they are today. Maybe not in the recent past, the 90s and 00s look quite rosy today in some (not all) respects, but think a bit further back. America has gone through civil war, anti-communist witch trials, frequent politically motivated bombings and assassinations, etc. Throughout all of that, people have remained hopeful that things could get better. The greatest threat facing America today is demoralization. The belief that demise is inevitable and cannot be prevented could do America more permanent harm than anything else.
- themitigating 4y ago
  So people don't trust the government and the election system. Could that is why they think demise will occur? That's the doing of the republican party. Trump is constantly saying America is a failed state. A democracy fails because people don't believe it works. All of this is republican
pseudo0 4y ago
It's weird how the "Christian nationalism" meme has been pushed by the usual suspects when US church attendance is at an all-time low, and religious influence on politics is a shadow of its former self. My guess is it's a mixture of obsession with The Handmaid's Tale, and the need for an alternative pejorative term that can be applied to black and Hispanic conservatives.
- themitigating 4y ago
  https://www.npr.org/2022/01/14/1073215412/christian-nationalism-donald-trump https://www.npr.org/2022/01/14/1073215412/christian-national... Evangelicals are key backers of the republican party.
  - tsunamifury 4y ago
    Evangelicalism is now a meaningless term with the nyt even claiming it’s largely an identity that does not practice in any form. It’s just a default conservative term for whose who can’t admit they are atheists.
    - themitigating 4y ago
      No, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelicalism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelicalism
- kelnos 4y ago
  The problem is that US political parties don't actually express the will of the majority of their constituents. These "Christian nationalists" are not a majority in any shape or form, but the GOP as a party bends over backwards for them.
FredPret 4y ago
By the way, I don't know where you're from, but I bet it isn't currently fascist. In the same vein, most leftists shouldn't be called communists. Examples of fascism are the Nazis, Mussolini, that Spanish chap, and apartheid. The only modern incarnation that springs to my mind is the Phillipines. I'm not saying I like the American right with their religion and their fixation on abortion (I do agree with them on some other things). I'm saying maybe there's a growing trend to the right, globally, and if there is, I hope it stops in the center and stays there for a long time, because I am a centrist.
- themitigating 4y ago
  Who is more of a centrist right now, the republican party or the democrats?
  - kelnos 4y ago
    That's... actually a really good question. I expect you are perhaps trying to push the idea that Republicans are more centrist than Democrats, but I don't think I'd agree with that. If you were to suggest that your average Republican US citizen is more centrist than your average Democrat US citizen, I would probably agree. But when it comes to the politicians and the people running the parties, I think the GOP is much farther right than the Democrats are far left.

MichaelCollins 4y ago

> the end of American democracy Granting all the problems you've cited, things have still been much worse in the past than they are today. Maybe not in the recent past, the 90s and 00s look quite rosy today in some (not all) respects, but think a bit further back. America has gone through civil war, anti-communist witch trials, frequent politically motivated bombings and assassinations, etc. Throughout all of that, people have remained hopeful that things could get better. The greatest threat facing America today is demoralization. The belief that demise is inevitable and cannot be prevented could do America more permanent harm than anything else.

themitigating 4y ago
So people don't trust the government and the election system. Could that is why they think demise will occur? That's the doing of the republican party. Trump is constantly saying America is a failed state. A democracy fails because people don't believe it works. All of this is republican

pseudo0 4y ago

It's weird how the "Christian nationalism" meme has been pushed by the usual suspects when US church attendance is at an all-time low, and religious influence on politics is a shadow of its former self. My guess is it's a mixture of obsession with The Handmaid's Tale, and the need for an alternative pejorative term that can be applied to black and Hispanic conservatives.

themitigating 4y ago
https://www.npr.org/2022/01/14/1073215412/christian-nationalism-donald-trump https://www.npr.org/2022/01/14/1073215412/christian-national... Evangelicals are key backers of the republican party.
- tsunamifury 4y ago
  Evangelicalism is now a meaningless term with the nyt even claiming it’s largely an identity that does not practice in any form. It’s just a default conservative term for whose who can’t admit they are atheists.
  - themitigating 4y ago
    No, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelicalism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelicalism
kelnos 4y ago
The problem is that US political parties don't actually express the will of the majority of their constituents. These "Christian nationalists" are not a majority in any shape or form, but the GOP as a party bends over backwards for them.

FredPret 4y ago

By the way, I don't know where you're from, but I bet it isn't currently fascist. In the same vein, most leftists shouldn't be called communists. Examples of fascism are the Nazis, Mussolini, that Spanish chap, and apartheid. The only modern incarnation that springs to my mind is the Phillipines. I'm not saying I like the American right with their religion and their fixation on abortion (I do agree with them on some other things). I'm saying maybe there's a growing trend to the right, globally, and if there is, I hope it stops in the center and stays there for a long time, because I am a centrist.

themitigating 4y ago
Who is more of a centrist right now, the republican party or the democrats?
- kelnos 4y ago
  That's... actually a really good question. I expect you are perhaps trying to push the idea that Republicans are more centrist than Democrats, but I don't think I'd agree with that. If you were to suggest that your average Republican US citizen is more centrist than your average Democrat US citizen, I would probably agree. But when it comes to the politicians and the people running the parties, I think the GOP is much farther right than the Democrats are far left.