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> sacrificing your kids childhood What do you mean by this?

by voisin 4y ago

agonmon 4y ago
I'm guessing this is referring to US cities, where it feels too dangerous/stressful to raise kids. Cities in Europe, like Amsterdam, have a completely different experience.
- ethanbond 4y ago
  Primary threat being cars.
andreygrehov 4y ago
Kids can't have their own rooms (unless you make $300-400k and can afford a 3BR), they do not have opportunity to enjoy outdoor space (there are homeless, traffic, no grass, etc), kids can't go outside without their parents presence, parents struggle to keep up with constantly increasing real estate prices, which down the road affects their children's future. These are just a few from the top of my head.
- paulcole 4y ago
  Kids don’t need their own rooms. Cities have parks. Kids ride the subway and bus alone — and they can walk alone. Just a few off the top of my head as well
  - andreygrehov 4y ago
    > Kids don’t need their own rooms. I have a different opinion. They need their own space to play and do the homework. Parents need their own space to do their adult stuff. > Cities have parks Good luck trying to afford a property next to a park. 2BR in New York is $7k per month. If you are buying, prepare for $2M+. > Kids ride the subway and bus alone 16 year olds - maybe. What about Those 7,8,9,10? Would you let your 8 yo kid to take a subway to the park? Give me a break. > they can walk alone No, they can't, unless they are 16+, but even then it's dangerous. My friend lived in Battery Park. Her 16 yo kid was bullied and robbed (several times he was surrounded by a few older "kids" and they took his phone away) at least once a month - all in the subway of NY.
    - paulcole 4y ago
      I mean I think it’s a foolish and selfish decision to have children in the face of coming climate change, but if you’re going to have them you should do it in a city rather than the suburbs. Stick ‘em on a bus make ‘em walk, whatever.
    - BlargMcLarg 4y ago
      Sincerely: fix your culture. All of this is possible in many developed countries. It's uniquely an American thing to believe children are in danger of everything.
    - neural_thing 4y ago
      I grew up in a big city (Moscow). I walked the streets alone and took the subway alone starting at the age of 12. I went to the playground outside of my apartment building alone starting at the age of... IDK, 5, maybe? Did bad stuff happen occasionally? Yeah, I got robbed a couple of times, got into some fights, did some very dumb things myself, to be perfectly honest. But I feel like all of the bad stuff was a small price to pay for independence and street smarts. Edit: one benefit of that is that as an adult, I've never felt unsafe walking the streets in the US in any neighborhood, now matter how bad its reputation is.
      - andreygrehov 4y ago
        I grew up in Odessa and had exactly the same experience as you. But I don't remember a single occasion when a kid would disappear. Later in life I moved to New York. I lived there for 10 years. AMBER alerts were a "normal" thing. I'm not one of those paranoid parents, but there is a line when my gut feeling tells me: "no man, this is not safe".
    - mgce 4y ago
      Everything you're expressing is unsound opinion. You're also exaggerating all numbers to skew your point. > Good luck trying to afford a property next to a park. 2BR in New York is $7k per month. If you are buying, prepare for $2M+. - You don't need to live next to a park to have convenient access to it. You're missing the point. - The median 2BR in Manhattan is $5,550. Brooklyn: $3,600. Northwest Queens (closest to Manhattan): $4,417 https://www.elliman.com/resources/siteresources/commonresources/static%20pages/images/corporate-resources/q3_2022/rental-09_2022.pdf https://www.elliman.com/resources/siteresources/commonresour... - You can easily get perfectly comfortable 2 BRs in nice neighborhoods for far under $2M. I live in one. Didn't pay close to $2M. Only the high end (unnecessary) crosses that threshold. I know a wide range of NYC kids and their parents of all age ranges. They haven't sacrificed anything growing up here. They're perfectly well developed kids with just as much going for them as anywhere else. I'm sorry your friend's kid has problems. That sounds horrible, and I hope they find a solution to their personal problem.
  - chrisseaton 4y ago
    > Kids don’t need their own rooms. I think they actually legally do above a certain age in many places?
    - paulcole 4y ago
      Which places?
      - chrisseaton 4y ago
        In the UK for example: > Legislation states that children of the opposite sex over the age of 10 should not share rooms - and that this can be considered overcrowding. https://www.nspcc.org.uk/keeping-children-safe/in-the-home/sharing-a-bedroom/ https://www.nspcc.org.uk/keeping-children-safe/in-the-home/s...
        paulcole 4y ago
        So it’s not a legal requirement: > While it's not illegal for them to share… Any places that actually back up your original guess of: > I think they actually legally do above a certain age in many places?
        chrisseaton 4y ago
        Try 'overcrowding' your children and see what a family court thinks of it...
        paulcole 4y ago
        dang 4y ago
        Would you please stop breaking the site guidelines? We've had to ask you this more than once before. You can make your substantive points without swipes, snark, or flamebait. Please do that instead. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

> sacrificing your kids childhood What do you mean by this?

by voisin 4y ago

> sacrificing your kids childhood What do you mean by this?

I'm guessing this is referring to US cities, where it feels too dangerous/stressful to raise kids. Cities in Europe, like Amsterdam, have a completely different experience.

ethanbond 4y ago
Primary threat being cars.

andreygrehov 4y ago

Kids can't have their own rooms (unless you make $300-400k and can afford a 3BR), they do not have opportunity to enjoy outdoor space (there are homeless, traffic, no grass, etc), kids can't go outside without their parents presence, parents struggle to keep up with constantly increasing real estate prices, which down the road affects their children's future. These are just a few from the top of my head.

paulcole 4y ago
Kids don’t need their own rooms. Cities have parks. Kids ride the subway and bus alone — and they can walk alone. Just a few off the top of my head as well
- andreygrehov 4y ago
  > Kids don’t need their own rooms. I have a different opinion. They need their own space to play and do the homework. Parents need their own space to do their adult stuff. > Cities have parks Good luck trying to afford a property next to a park. 2BR in New York is $7k per month. If you are buying, prepare for $2M+. > Kids ride the subway and bus alone 16 year olds - maybe. What about Those 7,8,9,10? Would you let your 8 yo kid to take a subway to the park? Give me a break. > they can walk alone No, they can't, unless they are 16+, but even then it's dangerous. My friend lived in Battery Park. Her 16 yo kid was bullied and robbed (several times he was surrounded by a few older "kids" and they took his phone away) at least once a month - all in the subway of NY.
  - paulcole 4y ago
    I mean I think it’s a foolish and selfish decision to have children in the face of coming climate change, but if you’re going to have them you should do it in a city rather than the suburbs. Stick ‘em on a bus make ‘em walk, whatever.
  - BlargMcLarg 4y ago
    Sincerely: fix your culture. All of this is possible in many developed countries. It's uniquely an American thing to believe children are in danger of everything.
  - neural_thing 4y ago
    I grew up in a big city (Moscow). I walked the streets alone and took the subway alone starting at the age of 12. I went to the playground outside of my apartment building alone starting at the age of... IDK, 5, maybe? Did bad stuff happen occasionally? Yeah, I got robbed a couple of times, got into some fights, did some very dumb things myself, to be perfectly honest. But I feel like all of the bad stuff was a small price to pay for independence and street smarts. Edit: one benefit of that is that as an adult, I've never felt unsafe walking the streets in the US in any neighborhood, now matter how bad its reputation is.
    - andreygrehov 4y ago
      I grew up in Odessa and had exactly the same experience as you. But I don't remember a single occasion when a kid would disappear. Later in life I moved to New York. I lived there for 10 years. AMBER alerts were a "normal" thing. I'm not one of those paranoid parents, but there is a line when my gut feeling tells me: "no man, this is not safe".
  - mgce 4y ago
    Everything you're expressing is unsound opinion. You're also exaggerating all numbers to skew your point. > Good luck trying to afford a property next to a park. 2BR in New York is $7k per month. If you are buying, prepare for $2M+. - You don't need to live next to a park to have convenient access to it. You're missing the point. - The median 2BR in Manhattan is $5,550. Brooklyn: $3,600. Northwest Queens (closest to Manhattan): $4,417 https://www.elliman.com/resources/siteresources/commonresources/static%20pages/images/corporate-resources/q3_2022/rental-09_2022.pdf https://www.elliman.com/resources/siteresources/commonresour... - You can easily get perfectly comfortable 2 BRs in nice neighborhoods for far under $2M. I live in one. Didn't pay close to $2M. Only the high end (unnecessary) crosses that threshold. I know a wide range of NYC kids and their parents of all age ranges. They haven't sacrificed anything growing up here. They're perfectly well developed kids with just as much going for them as anywhere else. I'm sorry your friend's kid has problems. That sounds horrible, and I hope they find a solution to their personal problem.
- chrisseaton 4y ago
  > Kids don’t need their own rooms. I think they actually legally do above a certain age in many places?
  - paulcole 4y ago
    Which places?
    - chrisseaton 4y ago
      In the UK for example: > Legislation states that children of the opposite sex over the age of 10 should not share rooms - and that this can be considered overcrowding. https://www.nspcc.org.uk/keeping-children-safe/in-the-home/sharing-a-bedroom/ https://www.nspcc.org.uk/keeping-children-safe/in-the-home/s...
      - paulcole 4y ago
        So it’s not a legal requirement: > While it's not illegal for them to share… Any places that actually back up your original guess of: > I think they actually legally do above a certain age in many places?
        chrisseaton 4y ago
        Try 'overcrowding' your children and see what a family court thinks of it...
        paulcole 4y ago
        dang 4y ago
        Would you please stop breaking the site guidelines? We've had to ask you this more than once before. You can make your substantive points without swipes, snark, or flamebait. Please do that instead. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html