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Oh for frak's sake, Apple. This design came out before the iPad and looks identical to it. HN readers, you especially should know about this since it was all

by blhack 15y ago

Oh for frak's sake, Apple. This design came out before the iPad and looks identical to it. HN readers, you especially should know about this since it was all over the front page forever: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JooJoo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JooJoo Here's an article from June 2009 that you could almost literally just swap the word Apple and iPad into. http://techcrunch.com/2009/06/03/crunchpad-the-launch-prototype/ http://techcrunch.com/2009/06/03/crunchpad-the-launch-protot...

dazbradbury 15y ago
But how can this be? Steve Jobs himself said: "iPad creates and defines an entirely new category of devices" Clearly, JooJoo was copied from Apple.
- Zarathust 15y ago
  Yes, it changes everything. If not everything is changed, how can Steve be right? Steve is right therefore everything is changed
  - pyre 15y ago
    Glory be to Jobs!
ricardobeat 15y ago
This is what the JooJoo originally looked like (2008): http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3030/2689708043_3afee5af69_o.jpg http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3030/2689708043_3afee5af69_o.... This is what a 1st gen iPod touch looked like in 2007: http://media.gdgt.com/img/product/1/101/ipod-touch-1st-gen-3g8-460.jpg http://media.gdgt.com/img/product/1/101/ipod-touch-1st-gen-3... On top of that, designs aren't pulled from thin air, you can subtract at least 1-2 years from the launch date.
- blhack 15y ago
  What's your point? The only difference between the the 2008 Crunchpad/JooJoo and the iPad is the color black.
  - ricardobeat 15y ago
    The original iPod touch and iPhone came out in 2007, were in the making for a bunch of years, while the JooJoo was only starting as a concept in 2008.
  - Terretta 15y ago
    I think his point is the original JooJoo design, which he provides, looked a lot less like the iPad.
    - blhack 15y ago
      But it fulfills most of the things apple is claiming that Samsung infringed upon except the color black.
      - webjprgm 15y ago
        No, it also looks like the border is slightly raised more like the Kindle. This is the form factor that I would have thought of naturally, before seeing the iPad, since it's similar to the designs that existed for computers at the time. Compare it to previous tablets/slates, laptops, Palm pilots, Newton. Most of them have some kind of raised plastic border (and often not black but some shade of gray).
        freehunter 15y ago
        Problem is, the iPad was designed for finger input. Raises bezels would mean you can't touch a segment of the edge of the screen without pressing hard enough to force your finger into that triangle. Any designer working with finger input would recognize that and design a screen flush with the bezel. With previous devices, they were generally designed with a stylus in mind (Palm, Newton, slates, etc). A flush bezel, while not required, is a no-brainer when you think about it.
Steko 15y ago
Newsflash: Apple's design patents were filed before the iPad shipped, some as early as 2004.
- mayanksinghal 15y ago
  on the other hand, like it is suggested to developers to not look at existing Patents, the same logic would be applied to design patents as well. If this is followed, any design can be reinvented - the more minimalistic the design is, higher would be the chances for its reinvention; this was also the central idea behind the article. Although I am not sure about it but it appears like there have been prior art for most of the individual design concepts being pointed out here. Samsung photoframes, tablets from other parties and similar elements being icons having being used from ages before. It's the compilation of same design concepts together in Samsung Tabs as well as iPad that is creating the stir. As pointed out above, the similarity between the two appears to be more of an trademark issue than patent - if exactly and just these points are used.

by blhack 15y ago

dazbradbury 15y ago

But how can this be? Steve Jobs himself said: "iPad creates and defines an entirely new category of devices" Clearly, JooJoo was copied from Apple.

Zarathust 15y ago
Yes, it changes everything. If not everything is changed, how can Steve be right? Steve is right therefore everything is changed
- pyre 15y ago
  Glory be to Jobs!

ricardobeat 15y ago

This is what the JooJoo originally looked like (2008): http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3030/2689708043_3afee5af69_o.jpg http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3030/2689708043_3afee5af69_o.... This is what a 1st gen iPod touch looked like in 2007: http://media.gdgt.com/img/product/1/101/ipod-touch-1st-gen-3g8-460.jpg http://media.gdgt.com/img/product/1/101/ipod-touch-1st-gen-3... On top of that, designs aren't pulled from thin air, you can subtract at least 1-2 years from the launch date.

blhack 15y ago
What's your point? The only difference between the the 2008 Crunchpad/JooJoo and the iPad is the color black.
- ricardobeat 15y ago
  The original iPod touch and iPhone came out in 2007, were in the making for a bunch of years, while the JooJoo was only starting as a concept in 2008.
- Terretta 15y ago
  I think his point is the original JooJoo design, which he provides, looked a lot less like the iPad.
  - blhack 15y ago
    But it fulfills most of the things apple is claiming that Samsung infringed upon except the color black.
    - webjprgm 15y ago
      No, it also looks like the border is slightly raised more like the Kindle. This is the form factor that I would have thought of naturally, before seeing the iPad, since it's similar to the designs that existed for computers at the time. Compare it to previous tablets/slates, laptops, Palm pilots, Newton. Most of them have some kind of raised plastic border (and often not black but some shade of gray).
      - freehunter 15y ago
        Problem is, the iPad was designed for finger input. Raises bezels would mean you can't touch a segment of the edge of the screen without pressing hard enough to force your finger into that triangle. Any designer working with finger input would recognize that and design a screen flush with the bezel. With previous devices, they were generally designed with a stylus in mind (Palm, Newton, slates, etc). A flush bezel, while not required, is a no-brainer when you think about it.

Steko 15y ago

Newsflash: Apple's design patents were filed before the iPad shipped, some as early as 2004.

mayanksinghal 15y ago
on the other hand, like it is suggested to developers to not look at existing Patents, the same logic would be applied to design patents as well. If this is followed, any design can be reinvented - the more minimalistic the design is, higher would be the chances for its reinvention; this was also the central idea behind the article. Although I am not sure about it but it appears like there have been prior art for most of the individual design concepts being pointed out here. Samsung photoframes, tablets from other parties and similar elements being icons having being used from ages before. It's the compilation of same design concepts together in Samsung Tabs as well as iPad that is creating the stir. As pointed out above, the similarity between the two appears to be more of an trademark issue than patent - if exactly and just these points are used.