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You make a really good point. However, nobody would "frame" someone for deception's sake. There's gotta be an underlying motive. If the deception works to ac

by robswc 4y ago

You make a really good point. However, nobody would "frame" someone for deception's sake. There's gotta be an underlying motive. If the deception works to achieve that goal (or even 90% of it) I'd say its pretty successful. I agree it's a weird gray area though and you're correct that a "perfect framing" would never be found out.

SideburnsOfDoom 4y ago
> If the deception works to achieve that goal (or even 90% of it) I'd say its pretty successful. That is true, but also anyone (With the usual exception of "untouchable" state agencies) who is found out to be framing someone, can expect to be prosecuted, regardless of if their frame was found before the intended damage was done, or after. "Perverting the Course of Justice" is a serious crime, and a frame qualifies as such: https://www.stoneking.co.uk/literature/e-bulletins/perverting-the-course-justice https://www.stoneking.co.uk/literature/e-bulletins/pervertin...
- lazide 4y ago
  By ‘expect to be prosecuted’ i think you mean ‘can expect to be prosecuted only in a tiny percentage of high profile cases’. Even murders have less than a 50% clearance rate.
pencilguin 4y ago
> "nobody would frame someone for deception's sake" What you must have meant is that most people would not. I have known people who certainly would, even without any antipathy toward the person framed, just because they could. Stir in a trace of resentment, and they would go out of their way to do it. Maybe you have heard of Alex Jones, Roger Stone, or Steve Bannon? They have ardent fans.
- robswc 4y ago
  Well sure, but I mean all of those ppl mentioned have an underlying motive. I don't see even them going "oh, today I'll try to incriminate a random person" lol. Their actions bring them notoriety.
  - pencilguin 4y ago
    They could do anything else, but chose what they do. They do it because it is what they like doing. Their fans, who get no publicity, admire them for their actual ratfucking activity. ("Ratfucking" here is a technical term in politics.)

by robswc 4y ago

SideburnsOfDoom 4y ago

> If the deception works to achieve that goal (or even 90% of it) I'd say its pretty successful. That is true, but also anyone (With the usual exception of "untouchable" state agencies) who is found out to be framing someone, can expect to be prosecuted, regardless of if their frame was found before the intended damage was done, or after. "Perverting the Course of Justice" is a serious crime, and a frame qualifies as such: https://www.stoneking.co.uk/literature/e-bulletins/perverting-the-course-justice https://www.stoneking.co.uk/literature/e-bulletins/pervertin...

lazide 4y ago
By ‘expect to be prosecuted’ i think you mean ‘can expect to be prosecuted only in a tiny percentage of high profile cases’. Even murders have less than a 50% clearance rate.

pencilguin 4y ago

> "nobody would frame someone for deception's sake" What you must have meant is that most people would not. I have known people who certainly would, even without any antipathy toward the person framed, just because they could. Stir in a trace of resentment, and they would go out of their way to do it. Maybe you have heard of Alex Jones, Roger Stone, or Steve Bannon? They have ardent fans.

robswc 4y ago
Well sure, but I mean all of those ppl mentioned have an underlying motive. I don't see even them going "oh, today I'll try to incriminate a random person" lol. Their actions bring them notoriety.
- pencilguin 4y ago
  They could do anything else, but chose what they do. They do it because it is what they like doing. Their fans, who get no publicity, admire them for their actual ratfucking activity. ("Ratfucking" here is a technical term in politics.)