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They are very upfront in terms of rhetoric about wanting more black and Hispanic students, but their policies are a lot of shuck-n-jive, trying to get that resu
by mynameishere 4y ago
They are very upfront in terms of rhetoric about wanting more black and Hispanic students, but their policies are a lot of shuck-n-jive, trying to get that result while pretending to be fair. Nothing has worked so far. The pretending-to-be-fair sure hasn't either.
So, one thing that will work and keep it all simple: Just establish quotas. "We will admit the highest scoring black students until we hit x%." But I suppose that would make legal challenges easier.
- kenjackson 4y agoA better alternative is to fix the problem upstream. Push much more test taking prep for poor students. And reevaluate the SAT. It’s well known the stories of the SAT not including questions blacks score higher on and using questions that whites score higher on. Try to remove the bias from the test even if that gives surprising results. I’m not a fan of quotas, but I do think taking race into account up until a point is reasonable. It’s just a really tricky line.
- LorenPechtel 4y agoCite?
- kenjackson 4y agoCite what?
- bombcar 4y agoI assume the stories of black questions being dropped.
- kenjackson 4y agoAhh. See: https://digitalcommons.law.scu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1285&=&context=lawreview&=&sei-redir=1&referer=https%253A%252F%252Fwww.google.com%252Furl%253Fq%253Dhttps%253A%252F%252Fdigitalcommons.law.scu.edu%252Fcgi%252Fviewcontent.cgi%253Farticle%25253D1285%252526context%25253Dlawreview%2526sa%253DD%2526ust%253D1538140607175000%2526usg%253DAFQjCNE7hKd6k-dofEZjqSgp_DPh9JynxQ#search=%22https%3A%2F%2Fdigitalcommons.law.scu.edu%2Fcgi%2Fviewcontent.cgi%3Farticle%3D1285%26context%3Dlawreview%22 https://digitalcommons.law.scu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?artic... There are some good snippets, but I’m on my phone. The whole thing is worth a read though.
- LorenPechtel 4y agoDiscrimination is an interesting thing, look hard enough and you'll find it whether or not it exists. An alternate explanation for what they are finding in that paper: The creators of the test favor questions whose response correlates well with how the person scores overall. A question that low-scoring people are more likely to get right is a bad question. What the researchers should have done is looked at racial differences in answering questions given the same overall score. Of course, that won't find discrimination so they're not going to publish it.
- kenjackson 4y agoYour explanation could also be true and at the same time feeding into the same problem if the people that have done well historically have done so because of test bias. Your proposed experiment doesn’t test what you think it does. Since we are trying to determine if the test is biased you can’t control using the score on the test that might be biased.
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- int_19h 4y agoHard quotas were already tried, litigated, and declared illegal by the Supreme Court - in the very same decision that allowed affirmative action in general. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regents_of_the_University_of_California_v._Bakke https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regents_of_the_University_of_C...