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Everyone who doesn’t like what I like has a mental disorder. Come on, let’s grow up.

Maursault 4y ago
This is a lovely straw man. While dissent is of fundamental importance to progress, as nothing would advance if everyone always agreed, those who are consistently negative and somewhat terminally unimpressed reveal far more about themselves with their criticism than what they reveal about the target of their criticism. If criticism is validly supported, this is not what I'm referring to, but instead condemnation, exaggeration, labelling and nitpickery.
- rcarr 4y ago
  But who is to decide what is and isn’t nitpickery? There is a famous story about Senna, the formula one driver who drove round a course and crashed into a wall. When he got back to the pit stop and was asked how he crashed Senna was adamant that the wall had moved. Everyone thought he was mad but nonetheless they went out and measured it and it turned out that the wall was a few millimetres out from where it should have been. Everyone perceives the world differently. What is nitpickery to one person can be the difference between success and a car crash to another. https://www.essentiallysports.com/greatest-f1-story-when-ayrton-senna-crashed-because-the-wall-moved/amp/ https://www.essentiallysports.com/greatest-f1-story-when-ayr...
  - Maursault 4y ago
    Your example is not one of nitpickery. In situations of high performance tolerances are tighter and tiny details can be critical. A better example is someone being unimpressed with a formula one racer's performance because of their sponsors or team colors when even the driver finishing in last place has rare and enviable driving skills the observer lacks.
    - rcarr 4y ago
      No, the Senna example above is not nitpickery. However if I raced with one of my friends and he crashed into a wall and then blamed it on the wall having moved and we then went and measured the wall and found him to be correct, yes he would be right but he would also be nitpicking as I doubt that either me or any of my friends have the ability to drive with millimetre precision. He would have crashed into the wall regardless of whether it had moved or not. I was trying to use that example to highlight the fact that we don’t know the skills and perceptions of anyone who is posting on Hacker News. One person might say that the immersion is ruined because of the lack of accurate sounds when walking. To the average person that might be nitpicking. For someone who is a sound designer or a musician or someone with a generally heightened auditory sense it could be the difference between immersion and the breaking of the illusion. The same person might even be fine with the previous generation graphics if the sound was spot on. We just don’t know who is commenting on the post and we don’t know how much their internal perceptions differ to our own. To label them nitpickers, narcissists and some of the other unsavoury stuff that is being levelled in this comment section is really unfair. I feel we should try and give charitable interpretations and give everyone the benefit of doubt where possible.
      - Maursault 4y ago
        > I was trying to use that example to highlight the fact that we don’t know the skills and perceptions of anyone who is posting on Hacker News. This is arguing an appeal to authority. It doesn't matter what their expertise is, what matters is their claim and whether it is relevant and validly supported. While the OP title claims realism, what they meant were that the graphics are improved and exceptional, leaving the naysaying criticisms along the lines of, "that doesn't look realistic, it has weird artifacts everywhere and the animation is unnatural" more revealing about the observer than what they've observed.
        rcarr 4y ago
        Respectfully disagree. It’s not an appeal to authority at all, it was highlighting neurodiversity. It is quite common for autistic people to have heightened auditory perceptions, that does not make them authorities in the field of audio unless they have studied it and become a recognised authority. Everyone perceives the world differently. That’s exactly why a detective interviews multiple witnesses in an attempt to gain a more accurate perspective of the objective reality. You’ve taken a tweet and you’re now trying to define a narrow window of acceptable discussion about the tweet based on it’s title. How many conversations are you having in real life that stick to such rigid parameters? That’s not how conversation works. This isn’t a formal paper that must be laser focussed on a single topic. It’s a much more relaxed space that allows for discussion of things that may even only be weakly related to the original content. Someone could post a story about their time in Amsterdam with no relation to Call of Duty or video games and I would still consider it valid discussion. You can’t just just pick and choose that all technical discussion of the topic must now be about the improved graphics and nothing else. You also can’t assume that your interpretation of the title is the correct one or the one the author intended. Doing so is arrogance, which ironically enough, is one of the nine diagnostic criteria of Narcissistic Personality Disorder according to the DSM-5.
- draw_down 4y ago
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This is a lovely straw man. While dissent is of fundamental importance to progress, as nothing would advance if everyone always agreed, those who are consistently negative and somewhat terminally unimpressed reveal far more about themselves with their criticism than what they reveal about the target of their criticism. If criticism is validly supported, this is not what I'm referring to, but instead condemnation, exaggeration, labelling and nitpickery.

rcarr 4y ago
But who is to decide what is and isn’t nitpickery? There is a famous story about Senna, the formula one driver who drove round a course and crashed into a wall. When he got back to the pit stop and was asked how he crashed Senna was adamant that the wall had moved. Everyone thought he was mad but nonetheless they went out and measured it and it turned out that the wall was a few millimetres out from where it should have been. Everyone perceives the world differently. What is nitpickery to one person can be the difference between success and a car crash to another. https://www.essentiallysports.com/greatest-f1-story-when-ayrton-senna-crashed-because-the-wall-moved/amp/ https://www.essentiallysports.com/greatest-f1-story-when-ayr...
- Maursault 4y ago
  Your example is not one of nitpickery. In situations of high performance tolerances are tighter and tiny details can be critical. A better example is someone being unimpressed with a formula one racer's performance because of their sponsors or team colors when even the driver finishing in last place has rare and enviable driving skills the observer lacks.
  - rcarr 4y ago
    No, the Senna example above is not nitpickery. However if I raced with one of my friends and he crashed into a wall and then blamed it on the wall having moved and we then went and measured the wall and found him to be correct, yes he would be right but he would also be nitpicking as I doubt that either me or any of my friends have the ability to drive with millimetre precision. He would have crashed into the wall regardless of whether it had moved or not. I was trying to use that example to highlight the fact that we don’t know the skills and perceptions of anyone who is posting on Hacker News. One person might say that the immersion is ruined because of the lack of accurate sounds when walking. To the average person that might be nitpicking. For someone who is a sound designer or a musician or someone with a generally heightened auditory sense it could be the difference between immersion and the breaking of the illusion. The same person might even be fine with the previous generation graphics if the sound was spot on. We just don’t know who is commenting on the post and we don’t know how much their internal perceptions differ to our own. To label them nitpickers, narcissists and some of the other unsavoury stuff that is being levelled in this comment section is really unfair. I feel we should try and give charitable interpretations and give everyone the benefit of doubt where possible.
    - Maursault 4y ago
      > I was trying to use that example to highlight the fact that we don’t know the skills and perceptions of anyone who is posting on Hacker News. This is arguing an appeal to authority. It doesn't matter what their expertise is, what matters is their claim and whether it is relevant and validly supported. While the OP title claims realism, what they meant were that the graphics are improved and exceptional, leaving the naysaying criticisms along the lines of, "that doesn't look realistic, it has weird artifacts everywhere and the animation is unnatural" more revealing about the observer than what they've observed.
      - rcarr 4y ago
        Respectfully disagree. It’s not an appeal to authority at all, it was highlighting neurodiversity. It is quite common for autistic people to have heightened auditory perceptions, that does not make them authorities in the field of audio unless they have studied it and become a recognised authority. Everyone perceives the world differently. That’s exactly why a detective interviews multiple witnesses in an attempt to gain a more accurate perspective of the objective reality. You’ve taken a tweet and you’re now trying to define a narrow window of acceptable discussion about the tweet based on it’s title. How many conversations are you having in real life that stick to such rigid parameters? That’s not how conversation works. This isn’t a formal paper that must be laser focussed on a single topic. It’s a much more relaxed space that allows for discussion of things that may even only be weakly related to the original content. Someone could post a story about their time in Amsterdam with no relation to Call of Duty or video games and I would still consider it valid discussion. You can’t just just pick and choose that all technical discussion of the topic must now be about the improved graphics and nothing else. You also can’t assume that your interpretation of the title is the correct one or the one the author intended. Doing so is arrogance, which ironically enough, is one of the nine diagnostic criteria of Narcissistic Personality Disorder according to the DSM-5.
draw_down 4y ago

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