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I'm not sure I believe this just from the video. Was the video supposed to be posted as proof that this happened?

by ouid 4y ago

mhb 4y ago
This is a small video made quickly and many people have since asked different questions about how I do it. I am going to make a longer video about this record and how it is possible to shoot arrows through a keyhole. Sincerely Lars Andersen
nwatson 4y ago
If one were moderately skillful and wanted to hoax, I wonder what kind of setup would let one make this video as "proof". What kind of "funnel" would you need? A straight cone? I imagine the archer made several real-time videos from several vantage points to prove no shenanigans.
- jstanley 4y ago
  The near-perfectly-straight vertical division in the video would seem to make it particularly easy to fake, especially when combined with the fact that you don't see the other side of the door. He can just shoot 7 consecutive arrows at the back of a door, then leave the camera running as he shoots 7 consecutive arrows through the keyhole (with the tip starting out in the keyhole so he can't miss), and then composite the footage of the arrows going through the keyhole on to the footage of the arrows coming out of the bow. The time gaps in between the arrows will be different, but nothing much is happening to the back of the door during this time, so you can just slow down or speed up the "back of door" footage during the dead time to line it up. (I'm not saying he's done that -- I think it's real -- but that is how I would do it). I'm not sure about the audio, but it doesn't seem too much of a stretch to fake the audio as well.
  - bombcar 4y ago
    Audio is easy - and captain dissolution could easily fake this particular video - but faking it in person would be much harder. The real proof is all the other videos of Lars doing absolutely insane things.
Someone 4y ago
I agree the video isn’t the best of evidence. There are views from the other side of the keyhole, but they’re in different shots. Who says they didn’t fit a steel funnel at the other side of the door to guide the arrow through the hole? The record is at https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/691706-most-consecutive-arrows-shot-through-a-keyhole https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/691706-mo..., though, and I do trust them to have checked that.
cplusplusfellow 4y ago
Plot twist : a huge funnel on the other side of the door.
niklasd 4y ago
There is also the serious looking man with a notepad.
- MichaelCollins 4y ago
  Verified by a beer company official.
  - extraduder_ire 4y ago
    The world records company has always been a separate entity founded as "Guinness Superlatives LLC", and now called "Guinness World Records". It was owned as a subsidiary initially, however. I presume so that any records held by themselves aren't called into question.
  - juunpp 4y ago
    Who was holding his beer.
Bakary 4y ago
From what else I've seen of the author of this feat, I can fully believe it.
- tharkun__ 4y ago
  Lars Andersen does a lot of "crazy" stuff with archery that people would probably not believe can even be done. But it can. You may think what you will of the "stunt" aspect of it (I'm not a fan) but it doesn't change the fact that this is definitely possible. It may also seem "impossible" because you don't see Lars using what people might expect of an archer: a compound bow. You really don't need it. You can get incredibly accurate with a traditional bow, especially on the short distance you see in the video. Source: I shoot traditional bows. Smarter Every Day episodes that seem relevant: Episode on archery w/ Byron Ferguson: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8Yp9SjCU5E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8Yp9SjCU5E Episode on the Archer's Paradox is very interesting in this regard as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKMS2wO7WTI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKMS2wO7WTI
  - Bakary 4y ago
    This is exactly why I believe Lars: from everything that I can deduce about him, his driving force is to prove that he's correct about what can be done with traditional archery.
    - bombcar 4y ago
      He’s like the Stonehenge guy with weights and balance - cheating would entirely be pointless because it would defeat the whole point - showing that it could be done.
rootusrootus 4y ago
This is the attitude we need to teach average people to take every time they see a video as proof of something. Especially if the video otherwise reinforces some sort of ideological position they hold.
- dotBen 4y ago
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  - rootusrootus 4y ago
    I doubt that video of a vaccine is going to immunize anyone. Better to get the actual jab.
- dymk 4y ago
  Not really. Can you show some evidence that Guinness has been party to falsifying their world record certifications in the past? Or give any reason to believe that Lars (who is well known in the trick archery world) faked the video? What you're doing is spreading FUD, which is far worse and erodes basic trust - a tenant that society depends on.
  - rootusrootus 4y ago
    > What you're doing is spreading FUD, which is far worse and erodes basic trust - a tenant that society depends on. If you think trusting videos on the Internet is something that society depends on, we are fucked. Wow.
    - dymk 4y ago
      I'll take that as a no, you can't provide any evidence to support your suspicion that this video is faked. Even just something like "He's lied in the past" would suffice, but you can't even do that.
    - kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 4y ago
      Nobody is trusting the video alone. Guinness has certified this (NOT via the video), and Guinness has a reputation that - so far that I know - is beyond reproach. As does the archer himself.
mikkergp 4y ago
He has lots of videos in his YouTube channel showing various feats of archery, this is a pretty good one: https://youtu.be/BEG-ly9tQGk https://youtu.be/BEG-ly9tQGk Maybe he faked all the videos and got the Guinness book of world records to put a fake record on their website, but they doesn’t seem like the simplest explanation.
varjag 4y ago
If you ever do precision sports you'll see what a trained human body is capable of. In precision pistol shooting disciplines (standing, single handed, without support) multiple consecutive hole-in-hole hits are very common. This one with arrows is likely more challenging but is entirely believable.

I'm not sure I believe this just from the video. Was the video supposed to be posted as proof that this happened?

by ouid 4y ago

I'm not sure I believe this just from the video. Was the video supposed to be posted as proof that this happened?

mhb 4y ago

This is a small video made quickly and many people have since asked different questions about how I do it. I am going to make a longer video about this record and how it is possible to shoot arrows through a keyhole. Sincerely Lars Andersen

nwatson 4y ago

If one were moderately skillful and wanted to hoax, I wonder what kind of setup would let one make this video as "proof". What kind of "funnel" would you need? A straight cone? I imagine the archer made several real-time videos from several vantage points to prove no shenanigans.

jstanley 4y ago
The near-perfectly-straight vertical division in the video would seem to make it particularly easy to fake, especially when combined with the fact that you don't see the other side of the door. He can just shoot 7 consecutive arrows at the back of a door, then leave the camera running as he shoots 7 consecutive arrows through the keyhole (with the tip starting out in the keyhole so he can't miss), and then composite the footage of the arrows going through the keyhole on to the footage of the arrows coming out of the bow. The time gaps in between the arrows will be different, but nothing much is happening to the back of the door during this time, so you can just slow down or speed up the "back of door" footage during the dead time to line it up. (I'm not saying he's done that -- I think it's real -- but that is how I would do it). I'm not sure about the audio, but it doesn't seem too much of a stretch to fake the audio as well.
- bombcar 4y ago
  Audio is easy - and captain dissolution could easily fake this particular video - but faking it in person would be much harder. The real proof is all the other videos of Lars doing absolutely insane things.

Someone 4y ago

I agree the video isn’t the best of evidence. There are views from the other side of the keyhole, but they’re in different shots. Who says they didn’t fit a steel funnel at the other side of the door to guide the arrow through the hole? The record is at https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/691706-most-consecutive-arrows-shot-through-a-keyhole https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/691706-mo..., though, and I do trust them to have checked that.

cplusplusfellow 4y ago

Plot twist : a huge funnel on the other side of the door.

niklasd 4y ago

There is also the serious looking man with a notepad.

MichaelCollins 4y ago
Verified by a beer company official.
- extraduder_ire 4y ago
  The world records company has always been a separate entity founded as "Guinness Superlatives LLC", and now called "Guinness World Records". It was owned as a subsidiary initially, however. I presume so that any records held by themselves aren't called into question.
- juunpp 4y ago
  Who was holding his beer.

Bakary 4y ago

From what else I've seen of the author of this feat, I can fully believe it.

tharkun__ 4y ago
Lars Andersen does a lot of "crazy" stuff with archery that people would probably not believe can even be done. But it can. You may think what you will of the "stunt" aspect of it (I'm not a fan) but it doesn't change the fact that this is definitely possible. It may also seem "impossible" because you don't see Lars using what people might expect of an archer: a compound bow. You really don't need it. You can get incredibly accurate with a traditional bow, especially on the short distance you see in the video. Source: I shoot traditional bows. Smarter Every Day episodes that seem relevant: Episode on archery w/ Byron Ferguson: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8Yp9SjCU5E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8Yp9SjCU5E Episode on the Archer's Paradox is very interesting in this regard as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKMS2wO7WTI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKMS2wO7WTI
- Bakary 4y ago
  This is exactly why I believe Lars: from everything that I can deduce about him, his driving force is to prove that he's correct about what can be done with traditional archery.
  - bombcar 4y ago
    He’s like the Stonehenge guy with weights and balance - cheating would entirely be pointless because it would defeat the whole point - showing that it could be done.

rootusrootus 4y ago

This is the attitude we need to teach average people to take every time they see a video as proof of something. Especially if the video otherwise reinforces some sort of ideological position they hold.

dotBen 4y ago
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- rootusrootus 4y ago
  I doubt that video of a vaccine is going to immunize anyone. Better to get the actual jab.
dymk 4y ago
Not really. Can you show some evidence that Guinness has been party to falsifying their world record certifications in the past? Or give any reason to believe that Lars (who is well known in the trick archery world) faked the video? What you're doing is spreading FUD, which is far worse and erodes basic trust - a tenant that society depends on.
- rootusrootus 4y ago
  > What you're doing is spreading FUD, which is far worse and erodes basic trust - a tenant that society depends on. If you think trusting videos on the Internet is something that society depends on, we are fucked. Wow.
  - dymk 4y ago
    I'll take that as a no, you can't provide any evidence to support your suspicion that this video is faked. Even just something like "He's lied in the past" would suffice, but you can't even do that.
  - kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 4y ago
    Nobody is trusting the video alone. Guinness has certified this (NOT via the video), and Guinness has a reputation that - so far that I know - is beyond reproach. As does the archer himself.

mikkergp 4y ago

He has lots of videos in his YouTube channel showing various feats of archery, this is a pretty good one: https://youtu.be/BEG-ly9tQGk https://youtu.be/BEG-ly9tQGk Maybe he faked all the videos and got the Guinness book of world records to put a fake record on their website, but they doesn’t seem like the simplest explanation.

varjag 4y ago

If you ever do precision sports you'll see what a trained human body is capable of. In precision pistol shooting disciplines (standing, single handed, without support) multiple consecutive hole-in-hole hits are very common. This one with arrows is likely more challenging but is entirely believable.