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Archery World Record: Most arrows through a keyhole [video]
- Ambolia 4y agoWhy stop at 7 arrows and not just keep going until he failed?
- milansm 4y agoI assume so that they can break the record again later on.
- MobileVet 4y agoIt is a deal to pull in the official Guinness people etc. seems like a waste to not take yourself to the limit.
- tromp 4y agoAh yes, Sergey Bubka [1] or Armand Duplantis [2] style... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergey_Bubka https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergey_Bubka [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armand_Duplantis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armand_Duplantis
- dasloop 4y ago“From 1991 through 1994, Sergey Bubka topped his own mark nine times, each time besting his previous mark by only 0.01 meters.” https://nowiknow.com/the-man-who-inched-away-at-history/ https://nowiknow.com/the-man-who-inched-away-at-history/
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- bombcar 4y agoPole vaulting seems a bit different because if you set it too high you might miss. Whereas the eight shot here - if you miss it you still have your seven good ones.
- hillacious 4y agoIt would be the same for pole vaulting. You can enter the competition at a lower height and continue to clear as the height increases. Once you fail at a height you still have the highest height you did clear for the competition which you can still win with. That was probably a horrible explanation - my apologies if so.
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- 988747 4y agoThe actual rules, from Wikipedia: "Once the vaulter enters the competition, they can choose to pass heights. If a vaulter achieves a miss on their first attempt at a height, they can pass to the next height, but they will only have two attempts at that height, as they will be out once they achieve three consecutive misses. Similarly, after earning two misses at a height, they could pass to the next height, when they would have only one attempt. The competitor who clears the highest height is the winner. " So, it takes some planning, and some athletes start at heights that they know they will clear easy, just to guarantee them 2nd or 3rd place. Then they continue their attempts at higher bars. Once they know they have won they have 3 more attempts to try and break the record.
- gus_massa 4y agoYou probably get tired if you jump too much, so instead of increasing the height by 1cm, it's probably better to skip most of them.
- MobileVet 4y agoRight?! They only had 7 setup from the start. If you are breaking a record why would you ever quit before you were spent? If I was ever in a position to break a record I would go until I failed to ensure the record held as long as possible.
- nwatson 4y agoYou can break your own record the next time and get more publicity. The hype dies down otherwise.
- germinalphrase 4y agoOr get beat by somebody so you can create a rivalry.
- Andrew_nenakhov 4y agoSoviet athletes were paid a premium every time they broke some world record. So it makes perfect sense to break your own records incrementally, by as little as possible.
- csa 4y agoBubka is Ukrainian, and I believe he set the records under the Ukrainian flag. Not sure what and how they paid him (if anything), but it wouldn’t have been a Soviet thing.
- btilly 4y agoHe started setting records in the 1980s when Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union, so it very much was a Soviet thing. After Ukraine left he then competed under the Ukrainian flag, but I would expect many Soviet practices to have continued (at least for a while).
- Andrew_nenakhov 4y agoBtw only the last four of his outdoors records and two last indoors records were made under the Ukrainian flag. Interestingly, he also was a part of unified exUSSR team on 1992 Olympics, competing under get Olympics flag, and somehow didn't even win. Also, his last record set in 1994 stood for mighty 20 years and was finally broken on 15 Feb 2014, in Donetsk, of all places. ... ... I don't think we'll see international pole vaulting events in Donetsk in the next 20 years.
- lostlogin 4y agoI assumed he did and that they had cut the video.
- dymk 4y agoBut the word record cert at the end says 7 arrows, and not any more.
- bombcar 4y agoHis quiver was empty after seven - I’d have kept going myself but maybe there’s a whole “proper etiquette” around keyhole arrowing.
- Someone 4y agoMaybe he shot a hundred, and he finally did it with the last 7, and missed the next one, after collecting his arrows. Or maybe he had to stop because the arrows break down when passing through the hole. For example, I don’t think it’s good for the fletching (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fletching https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fletching) Or he had 1000 arrows, fired them all through they that keyhole 10 times in a row and they cut out the first 9,993 hits because that made the video boringly long ;-)
- troymc 4y agoMaybe there are only 7 keyhole arrows in the entire world, and each one costs a zillion dollars to make, and you have to wait three days before shooting one again, to let it cool down. Maybe not.
- johnfn 4y agoYes yes, this is certainly the correct answer. No reason for me to read the rest of the thread.
- highwaylights 4y agoThat’s what they want you to think. I’ve been saying for years that someone needs to reign in Big Keyhole Arrows but the regulators have been asleep at the wheel as per usual. Thanks a lot, (Congress)/(Brussels)/(Obama I guess).
- citizenpaul 4y agoPeople do this all the time in these things. That way now you can win another award for 8 shots next year or whatever. Pretty soon you are the top winner of awards for XXX. Otherwise you just get one award you can never beat. Double so if there are monetary prizes involved.
- quickthrower2 4y agoMaybe p(keyhole) = 0.25, and so it takes about 4^7 tries before getting 7 in a row. They only filmed the successful try to avoid viewer boredom :-).
- ouid 4y agoI'm not sure I believe this just from the video. Was the video supposed to be posted as proof that this happened?
- mhb 4y agoThis is a small video made quickly and many people have since asked different questions about how I do it. I am going to make a longer video about this record and how it is possible to shoot arrows through a keyhole. Sincerely Lars Andersen
- nwatson 4y agoIf one were moderately skillful and wanted to hoax, I wonder what kind of setup would let one make this video as "proof". What kind of "funnel" would you need? A straight cone? I imagine the archer made several real-time videos from several vantage points to prove no shenanigans.
- jstanley 4y agoThe near-perfectly-straight vertical division in the video would seem to make it particularly easy to fake, especially when combined with the fact that you don't see the other side of the door. He can just shoot 7 consecutive arrows at the back of a door, then leave the camera running as he shoots 7 consecutive arrows through the keyhole (with the tip starting out in the keyhole so he can't miss), and then composite the footage of the arrows going through the keyhole on to the footage of the arrows coming out of the bow. The time gaps in between the arrows will be different, but nothing much is happening to the back of the door during this time, so you can just slow down or speed up the "back of door" footage during the dead time to line it up. (I'm not saying he's done that -- I think it's real -- but that is how I would do it). I'm not sure about the audio, but it doesn't seem too much of a stretch to fake the audio as well.
- bombcar 4y agoAudio is easy - and captain dissolution could easily fake this particular video - but faking it in person would be much harder. The real proof is all the other videos of Lars doing absolutely insane things.
- aardvarkr 4y agoOf all the weird random records in the world this is one of the weirder ones
- judge2020 4y agoNot as weird as "largest cake with an image of someone falling off a horse" [0] 0: https://slate.com/culture/2019/08/john-oliver-last-week-tonight-turkmenistan-guinness-world-records.html https://slate.com/culture/2019/08/john-oliver-last-week-toni...
- lostlogin 4y agoWow, that’s one hell of a stance from The Guinness Book of Records.
- s1artibartfast 4y agoI respect it. An open door to anyone who wants to make records for the sake of fun and glory. Closed door if your stated purpose is to belittle people or make controversy.
- throwaway346434 4y agoYeah. Nah. https://www.iphronline.org/turkmenistan-continued-repression-under-new-president.html https://www.iphronline.org/turkmenistan-continued-repression... Human rights track record bad? No problem! We're all having fun right? Participate in TV show that mocks things? Ooh, no, we're the gate keeper of moral choices now.
- s1artibartfast 4y agoI doubt we will be able to come to a mutual understanding, but the thought and morality held by many is as follows: I will work with a bad person to do a good thing. I will not work with a good person to do a bad thing. My participation is based on the morality of the thing that I am doing, not the other person's past or context . To put it technically, the focus is on the first order action and effect. This is in contrast to an increasingly popular moral assessment based on speculative second and third order effects.
- buzzy_hacker 4y agoI remember this viral video from this guy a few years back https://youtu.be/BEG-ly9tQGk https://youtu.be/BEG-ly9tQGk
- oneoff786 4y agoIt seemed like a parody in tone, but it was pretty great all the way through
- dalmo3 4y ago"Or on a horseback" is my favourite line.
- Semaphor 4y agoWow, that does make legendary archers in movies actually seem less impressive, I’d rather face Legolas than Lars after watching this.
- srik 4y agoLars was heavily involved in the Robin hood movie production, the one with Taron Edgerton from a couple years ago. Despite how incredulously "blockbustery" the action sequences looked, the archery itself was all heavily grounded in reality and research from manuscripts of that era. I gained a lot of respoect for Taron Edgerton for his dedication to pulling all that off without resorting to stuntsmen or cgi. Wish the movie did better, so all their work could have had more exposure. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZsQmlZclTo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZsQmlZclTo
- ultrahax 4y agoFWIW whilst superficially impressive, that video was thoroughly debunked https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDbqz_07dW4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDbqz_07dW4
- Sebguer 4y agoI can't stand the tone of this video, so couldn't watch the whole thing but skipped through, and afaict it's debunking the idea that people ever really did this in battle? Not that the stunts in the video are fake? Kind of a misleading thing to say it's 'thoroughly debunked' when it's very clearly for entertainment and just says they're 'myths'.
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- _joel 4y agoIt's interesting therefore worthy imho. Not every post has to geeked out to the max
- judge2020 4y agohttps://lobste.rs/ https://lobste.rs/
- MichaelCollins 4y agoI'm not sure about general trends, but Lars Anderson has been discussed here numerous times for years.
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- galangalalgol 4y agoThis is what happened on /. too, and why I eventually left for here. A larger and larger percentage of stories were clickbait, or designed to provoke heated discussion. Vim now better than emacs! Climate change may be responsible for hosting center failures. Go has features no other languages have! It promoted fun conversations sometimes even enlightening ones, but then they just started repeating them and I realized I wasn't learning things anymore.
- the_lonely_road 4y agoI like Ruby, Javascript, and lifestyle posts. The next guy likes x language and y technology and lifestyle posts. I ignore his tech posts and he ignores my tech posts but we meet in the middle through lifestyle posts. The larger t he community grows the more engagement each post gets but the most engagement goes to lifestyle posts. Since posts rise due to how much engagement they get, you are destined to see more and more lifestyle content dominate the front page as the community grows larger. There is a subset of every community that hates something and you seem to hate lifestyle posts but most of the community appears not too making this trend inevitable unless moderation decides to change the rules.
- 29athrowaway 4y agoI guess this record will be eventually broken by a robot.
- PebblesRox 4y agoReminds me of bowling robots, although in the case of bowling, being too consistent is a problem because it wears away the oil, impacting the path of the ball. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ob4DPCQPBOo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ob4DPCQPBOo
- bombcar 4y agoTo make bowling robots fun we need them to be on a bowling alley on a cruise ship in super rough seas.
- fishtoaster 4y agoWould that really even be breaking the record? Usain Bolt could easily be beaten in a race by, say, a car. A cannon would win the olympic shot put contest handily. The record is "who is the best human at X," not "what is the best X."
- blahgeek 4y agoWhy don't we see him in Olympics or somewhere?
- tharkun__ 4y agoThe Olympics have a completely different style of archery than Lars practices. Just look at the bow and compare. Also distances that come with it. You won't even see compound bows at the Olympics, only Recurves but with stabilizers, a sight and such. Lars mostly does Traditional Archery, meaning a stick with some string and "trick/stunt archery" on top of that (see his other videos). There are of course also recurves that aren't all highly engineered pieces of metal. But still, completely different worlds. The closest you get to that is "Barebow" and that's not Olympic but "Lancaster Archery" does a competition that includes a Barebow category. But even that allows for too much "modern" stuff (small stabilizer) and it's all modern recurves. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUmD80K-pOw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUmD80K-pOw
- nibbleshifter 4y agoI used to compete at college level in barebow archery. The draw weight of the bows Lars tends to use is around 15-20 pounds tops, really low draw weight, low power, for extremely fast stunt/trick shooting. The draw on the bows I'd use to compete with were 30-35 pounds usually - at 18 meters with no sights and whatever low profile stabiliser/weight you could get away with, anything heavier is a waste of time. Olympic style recurve shooters usually go around the same in draw weight, there's a tradeoff between better flight characteristics of heavier draw/heavier arrows and the amount of time you can sustain holding back that amount if weight/force. As an aside, there is a fun niche market for "within the rules" bow weights in barebow - the main function of the weight is to pull the bow "down" out of recoil/the path of the arrow as fast as possible after release so it doesn't kick back and impact the arrows trajectory. I made a few prototype ones back then out of brass, steel, etc. Good fun.
- ydnaclementine 4y agoEnjoyed the video more just because it's short, to the point and doesn't include the "heywhatsupguys don't forget to like and subscribe"
- nurettin 4y agoOne youtube content creator explained that after he started "suggesting" that people like and subscribe, he got a significantly higher income. So that's why they do it.
- Simon_O_Rourke 4y agoThere's no doubt they do it for the extra cash, what's also indisputable is that it's becoming a trope unto itself.
- bombcar 4y agoYouTube needs to add dynamic videos such that if you’re already liked and subscribed that part is skipped. Some of them work the l&s in pretty well with the theme/topic of the video.
- dotnet00 4y agoThe SponsorBlock extension (and the associated ReVanced patch for the Android app) do this. People can tag sponsor segments and 'annoying reminders' and you can set them up to be automatically skipped.
- bombcar 4y agoI’ve heard they’ve added “filler” as a category, too. Might have to check it out.
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- Aperocky 4y agoGuinness world record and world record are just completely different. Usain Bolt have a world record, anybody can have a Guinness World Record if you have money, and challenge things like most helium balloons tied to a paddleboard while paying Guinness staff to fly around and some big fee to put it in their books. This one from Lars is actually one of the 'better' ones.
- Kiro 4y agoI don't think it's that much of a difference. I can say that I hold the world record in replying the fastest to your comment in this thread. But for the world record to actually mean something it needs to be backed by an organisation, which is what Guinness is doing just as World Athletics is doing for Usain Bolt's records.
- Retric 4y agoThe important bit is how many people are competing for the record not who is keeping track. There are any of a thousand of video game speed runs you could probably beat with a week of solid effort, but breaking the Mario 1 speed run is a different league.
- bombcar 4y agoEven in video game speed runs “hello you absolute legends” there is a kind of “that seems good” that can be reached - where people knowledgeable recognize that the run must be interesting, even if nobody did it before. And of course on the tracking sites one of the best ways to get noticed is beat a famous record by a bit, or beat an unfamous one by a lot (because a large beat likely means it can be improved more, and so people will try). This is also why record runs In track mania for example often “calm down” until a new path is shown to work (even in a tool assist) and then there’s a flurry of interest.
- saiya-jin 4y agoSure, but if we take same discipline, they align into same effort. Its just that Guiness corp makes making up disciplines stupidly easy I guess for their own profit/promotion. And nobody sane cares about Guiness world record on 100m for example
- teekert 4y agoRefreshingly short.
- js2 4y agoHe seems to not want to have to look away from the target between shots, but his quiver is placed out of view and he has to look toward it after his fifth arrow. He also subtly repositions his stance after the third arrow. In general, I'm surprised at the amount of motion in his body compared to the stillness you see with say precision rifle or pistol shooters. e.g. 10m air rifle: https://youtu.be/iTmiMwQnres https://youtu.be/iTmiMwQnres Or Olympic archery: https://youtu.be/fOt4uz-bkfA https://youtu.be/fOt4uz-bkfA Even pool players are extremely still in their motion: https://youtu.be/-FHz4kf_cus https://youtu.be/-FHz4kf_cus
- tharkun__ 4y agoYou can also see how he's really fast. This is a completely different style of archery from Olympic, which has stabilizers and a sight. Olympic style archers "aim a lot". Lars shoots a different style, which is basically "draw and loose" with very little "aiming". The aiming done in that situation is to basically "look at what you want to hit". Here's a Smarter Every Day episode that shows some of that. You see Byron Ferguson there already putting the arrow on but there's no aiming. When the mint is thrown in the air, he just looks at the mint and instinctively aims and shoots it in mid air. https://youtu.be/Q8Yp9SjCU5E?t=225 https://youtu.be/Q8Yp9SjCU5E?t=225 I recommend the whole episode. Also Legendary Howard Hill: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36R7cLzPNuw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36R7cLzPNuw It's amazing how well this works if you don't need to hit a mint and no worries of shooting a person and even without exactly spined arrows and with just a stick and a string for a bow. Source: I do this for fun (with larger targets).
- js2 4y ago> Lars shoots a different style, which is basically "draw and loose" with very little "aiming". The aiming done in that situation is to basically "look at what you want to hit". Indeed, it's closer to a field athlete (basketball, soccer, etc) shooting/throwing a ball.
- bombcar 4y agoThere’s a similar form of pistol shooting I like to call “point and click” involving using your middle finger for the trigger and your pointer finger pointing down the barrel. Basically finger guns with a gun. Works surprisingly well for unsighted shots.
- dukeofdoom 4y agowouldn't this camera angle be easy to fake. just a mask over half the screen. and layer two videos. second from close distance
- Jeff_Brown 4y agoHow far away was he?
- jdoliner 4y agoThis is the type of feat that sets you up to marry the lovely Penelope.
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- eitland 4y agoSome say that the old stories about the vikings (and others from other cultures) clearly weren't true or weren't even possible, but examples like this shows it is easy to wildly underestimate what is possible.
- siliconc0w 4y agoIt's interesting they don't mention the distance in the 'record'. That is a pretty key variable. Looks like maybe 10m?
- rufus_foreman 4y agoHad more keyhole arrows than that shooting at womp rats.
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- Kinnard 4y agoRemarkable Precision
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- rnk 4y agoThis guy Lars Anderson is fascinating, doing so much more with arrows. He has a great video, trying to rediscover or recreate the Comanche capabilities. Well worth 5 minutes of your time if you have any interest in historic military or the abilities of humans to do amazing things. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liHlCRpS70k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liHlCRpS70k
- pbj1968 4y agoBone chilling. My family was terrorized by Comanche raids to the point that their fates are documented in history books. Even Amerindians have nothing positive to say about them.
- stjohnswarts 4y agoI'm pretty sure he's -only- talking about their bow and arrow skills and not torture skills.
- isitmadeofglass 4y agoFriendly reminder that guineas book of records is a company you pay a lump sum of money to, and they stage an event to give you an award for publicity. So it begs the question. How much did Lars pay to put on this event, of all the possible arrow related records he could have made up, why make up this particular one. It seems obvious that it would have been a more honest record to look at consecutive bullseyes or arrows split or something like that, but perhaps the established records from regular competitive archers where to hard for him to beat. And naturally, why is he trying to create a social bus now? Does he have a book coming out or something like that?
- hanoz 4y ago> guineas book of records Apologies if that's just a spelling error, but if it's an eggcorn / mondegreen, I feel duty-bound to point out that it's Guinness Book of Records, as in a pint of.
- sizzzzlerz 4y agoComing this spring, only on the Discovery Channel: Keyhole Archers. A new reality series following the men and women on the "shooting arrows into really teeny-tiny places" circuit as they shoot for fame and fortune, attempting to win the prestigious "golden arrow".
- MrsPeaches 4y agoThis reminds me of the People's Book of Records in the UK: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEBLCPV26LE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEBLCPV26LE Which includes the record for pulling socks off pensioner's feet with your teeth.
- gorgoiler 4y agoThis YouTuber reminds me of another who is linked here frequently — Sabine Hossenfelder. Why is that? They both seem to work with a high degree of independence from their mainstream fields? They are both very intelligent and talented while also having few official credentials to verify their credibility? I don’t mean to impugn either YouTuber, but I’ve been burned too many times by equating “wow this is cool material” with “this is correct”. I’m almost ashamed to admit that my desire to root for the underdog biases me in their favour precisely because they are outspoken, with disastrous outcomes. Well known examples of this which I’ve seen — although much more serious than arrows and stars! — include Andrew Wakefield (MMR maverick, much lauded as a “whistleblower”, later shown to be a hoaxer) and David Irving (maverick second world war historian, much lauded, later shown to be an anti-Semitic white supremacist.) The keyhole stuff is objectively cool but how do I know the historical takes aren’t just “fake news” for nerds?