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Its not like the field of theology is doing any better at it. We’ve tried sending thoughts and prayers at every single peoples we face, but it just doesn’t see

Its not like the field of theology is doing any better at it. We’ve tried sending thoughts and prayers at every single peoples we face, but it just doesn’t seem to work…

bell-cot 4y ago
My "Old Testament" comment was more of a "No grown-ups are impressed by your finally noticing that cows have 4 legs, nor by your bragging about that brilliant discovery" mockery. But, in many ways, the field of theology is doing far better! At least Christianity, in the West. With the relative collapse of church membership, attendance, etc. over the past ~half-century, the number of self-serving hypocrite theologians enjoying good social status, pay, and benefits while preaching a moral code which they would never want to follow has been plummeting. The corresponding trends in science do not look so good.
mistermann 4y ago
> Its not like the field of theology is doing any better at it. As a comprehensive whole, even as somewhat of a supporter, the results seem unimpressive to me. But then this overlooks at least two things: - we do not have access to an accurate counterfactual reality machine, thus we ~~must~~ speculate (note: the ~~ ~~ is intended to cross out the enclosed word, as supported on Reddit) - there may be substantial unrealized value within subsets of theology (I'm a big proponent of Taoism, but then I'm surely biased (which is not necessarily synonymous with incorrect)) > We’ve tried sending thoughts and prayers at every single peoples we face, but it just doesn’t seem to work. See the "accurate counterfactual reality machine" comment above. Two questions: - is this intended as an accurate representation of theology? If not, what is it intended as? - it seems to me that: delusion is a substantial contributor to causality, most of human communication (some exceptions exist) is at least partially delusional (in a technical sense of the word, not pejorative), and arguably causality is the most important known phenomenon - from my frame of reference, science seems to have very little serious interest or knowledge about either (delusion and causality), yet despite this seems to have somehow ascended to the throne of the de facto superior metaphysical framework for discovery of reality. Is it just me, or does something seem "off" about this state of affairs? inb4: popular and persuasive thought terminating cliches/memes.
bjt2n3904 4y ago
> We are living now, not in the delicious intoxication induced by the early successes of science, but in a rather grisly morning-after, when it has become apparent that what triumphant science has done hitherto is to improve the means for achieving unimproved or actually deteriorated ends. Huxley
tsol 4y ago
>Its not like the field of theology is doing any better at it. Again, there are countless religions besides Christianity. I doubt you really polled muslims, jews, hindus, sikhs, taoists, etc on their experience with social media. I think you're just trying to make a sweeping generalization about one particular faith, and at the same time totally ignoring and invalidating faiths of 60% of the world.
- pfdietz 4y ago
  We can say with complete confidence that at least N-1 of the world's N religions are wrong.

Its not like the field of theology is doing any better at it. We’ve tried sending thoughts and prayers at every single peoples we face, but it just doesn’t seem to work…

bell-cot 4y ago

My "Old Testament" comment was more of a "No grown-ups are impressed by your finally noticing that cows have 4 legs, nor by your bragging about that brilliant discovery" mockery. But, in many ways, the field of theology is doing far better! At least Christianity, in the West. With the relative collapse of church membership, attendance, etc. over the past ~half-century, the number of self-serving hypocrite theologians enjoying good social status, pay, and benefits while preaching a moral code which they would never want to follow has been plummeting. The corresponding trends in science do not look so good.

mistermann 4y ago

> Its not like the field of theology is doing any better at it. As a comprehensive whole, even as somewhat of a supporter, the results seem unimpressive to me. But then this overlooks at least two things: - we do not have access to an accurate counterfactual reality machine, thus we ~~must~~ speculate (note: the ~~ ~~ is intended to cross out the enclosed word, as supported on Reddit) - there may be substantial unrealized value within subsets of theology (I'm a big proponent of Taoism, but then I'm surely biased (which is not necessarily synonymous with incorrect)) > We’ve tried sending thoughts and prayers at every single peoples we face, but it just doesn’t seem to work. See the "accurate counterfactual reality machine" comment above. Two questions: - is this intended as an accurate representation of theology? If not, what is it intended as? - it seems to me that: delusion is a substantial contributor to causality, most of human communication (some exceptions exist) is at least partially delusional (in a technical sense of the word, not pejorative), and arguably causality is the most important known phenomenon - from my frame of reference, science seems to have very little serious interest or knowledge about either (delusion and causality), yet despite this seems to have somehow ascended to the throne of the de facto superior metaphysical framework for discovery of reality. Is it just me, or does something seem "off" about this state of affairs? inb4: popular and persuasive thought terminating cliches/memes.

bjt2n3904 4y ago

> We are living now, not in the delicious intoxication induced by the early successes of science, but in a rather grisly morning-after, when it has become apparent that what triumphant science has done hitherto is to improve the means for achieving unimproved or actually deteriorated ends. Huxley

tsol 4y ago

>Its not like the field of theology is doing any better at it. Again, there are countless religions besides Christianity. I doubt you really polled muslims, jews, hindus, sikhs, taoists, etc on their experience with social media. I think you're just trying to make a sweeping generalization about one particular faith, and at the same time totally ignoring and invalidating faiths of 60% of the world.

pfdietz 4y ago
We can say with complete confidence that at least N-1 of the world's N religions are wrong.