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Except it looks like China did lift 800 million people out of poverty: https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2022/04/01/lifting-800-million-people-ou

Except it looks like China did lift 800 million people out of poverty: https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2022/04/01/lifting-800-million-people-out-of-poverty-new-report-looks-at-lessons-from-china-s-experience https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2022/04/01/l...

LAC-Tech 4y ago
It's very odd phrasing though, isn't it? "China" is the subject of the sentence, while "800 million people" is the subject. The implication being that China - or the CCP - was doing the lifting. The people just kind of passively did got carried upwards. Even the choice of verb is illuminating. "Lifting", making the number after it add a sense of difficulty to the achievement that "China" accomplished. People do not talk this in real life. No one is broke, moves to Boise, Idaho, and then says "Boise, Idaho lifted me out poverty". So yes, "China lifed X people out of poverty" is 100% a canned propaganda phrase. The more neutral description of what actually happened is "China transitioned from a low income economy to a middle income economy".
- dirtyid 4y ago
  >People do not talk this in real life "American dream" / land of opportunity" "Government Assistance Lifts 45.4 Million Out of Poverty in 2021" - US Census Bureau >odd phrasing And accurate. Governance systems > individual effort. Populations do as well as their system allows. At scale of large nations, it's mostly down to management, even suggesting it's a team effort is being charitable. Contrast how India is doing under same timeframe, ergo accurate to say CCP governance was/is primarily responsible for lifting 800m people out of poverty. TLDR of "China lifted 800 million out of poverty" is fine. More accurate and neutral TLDR is "Chinese Communist Party lifted 800 million out of extreme poverty" But for some reason most western press like to minimize/trivialize the CCP part with China.
  - LAC-Tech 4y ago
    - dirtyid 4y ago
      >he's likely just a I'm a PRC born person who likes to keep up with PRC related geopolitics, now based in CAN but have lived/worked between East and West with experience in both systems if that helps you calibrate. Not an enthusiastic supporter, nor paid, nor imprisoned by regime. Just some dude whose a nightowl who pass time on forums that responds to posts that pique my interest, usually under different accounts for different subjects on other platforms, but on HN it's just this. >I remember his name ... >he's tracked down a post of mine deep inside a thread. I don't remember you at all, my custom CSS on hn/reddit removes user names by default. And I listen to mass comments with a screen reader. Certainly dont' care enough to track anyone down. If you want, I can mute your account to avoid future interactions. E: I will just go ahead and do that for both our sake, this account has already been rate limited because people think I'm state sponsored shill. Which gives me ~5 comments day, that I tend to titrate based on interest, which means generally spending them on PRC topics to exclusion of other subjects. Which reinforces that perception. Wish you well otherwise.
meowfly 4y ago
China also put millions into poverty during Mao's Great Leap Forward. Note that your link refers to the last 4 decades. Just before that, the same government was decimating the countries wealth. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine
- readthenotes1 4y ago
  Are dead people poor?

LAC-Tech 4y ago

It's very odd phrasing though, isn't it? "China" is the subject of the sentence, while "800 million people" is the subject. The implication being that China - or the CCP - was doing the lifting. The people just kind of passively did got carried upwards. Even the choice of verb is illuminating. "Lifting", making the number after it add a sense of difficulty to the achievement that "China" accomplished. People do not talk this in real life. No one is broke, moves to Boise, Idaho, and then says "Boise, Idaho lifted me out poverty". So yes, "China lifed X people out of poverty" is 100% a canned propaganda phrase. The more neutral description of what actually happened is "China transitioned from a low income economy to a middle income economy".

dirtyid 4y ago
>People do not talk this in real life "American dream" / land of opportunity" "Government Assistance Lifts 45.4 Million Out of Poverty in 2021" - US Census Bureau >odd phrasing And accurate. Governance systems > individual effort. Populations do as well as their system allows. At scale of large nations, it's mostly down to management, even suggesting it's a team effort is being charitable. Contrast how India is doing under same timeframe, ergo accurate to say CCP governance was/is primarily responsible for lifting 800m people out of poverty. TLDR of "China lifted 800 million out of poverty" is fine. More accurate and neutral TLDR is "Chinese Communist Party lifted 800 million out of extreme poverty" But for some reason most western press like to minimize/trivialize the CCP part with China.
- LAC-Tech 4y ago
  - dirtyid 4y ago
    >he's likely just a I'm a PRC born person who likes to keep up with PRC related geopolitics, now based in CAN but have lived/worked between East and West with experience in both systems if that helps you calibrate. Not an enthusiastic supporter, nor paid, nor imprisoned by regime. Just some dude whose a nightowl who pass time on forums that responds to posts that pique my interest, usually under different accounts for different subjects on other platforms, but on HN it's just this. >I remember his name ... >he's tracked down a post of mine deep inside a thread. I don't remember you at all, my custom CSS on hn/reddit removes user names by default. And I listen to mass comments with a screen reader. Certainly dont' care enough to track anyone down. If you want, I can mute your account to avoid future interactions. E: I will just go ahead and do that for both our sake, this account has already been rate limited because people think I'm state sponsored shill. Which gives me ~5 comments day, that I tend to titrate based on interest, which means generally spending them on PRC topics to exclusion of other subjects. Which reinforces that perception. Wish you well otherwise.

meowfly 4y ago

China also put millions into poverty during Mao's Great Leap Forward. Note that your link refers to the last 4 decades. Just before that, the same government was decimating the countries wealth. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine

readthenotes1 4y ago
Are dead people poor?