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I'm not saying this doesn't happen. It obviously does. But I still think you have to take everyone at face value if you want to have a healthy community. The on

I'm not saying this doesn't happen. It obviously does. But I still think you have to take everyone at face value if you want to have a healthy community. The only thing less healthy than a forum full of psyops and shills is a forum full of genuine people accusing each other of being shills.

bergenty 4y ago
Shills are genuine people too which is where your argument and overall decorum in a forum breaks down.
aamoscodes 4y ago
The sweet spot is finding a community where everyone is jokingly accusing everyone else of psyop-activity. Make it meaningless
- 22c 4y ago
- bombcar 4y ago
  Sounds like what the fed would say!
cirgue 4y ago
This is kind of a false dichotomy. Taking everyone at face value is one of the dumbest thing you can do on the internet. Assuming there are exactly 0 paid posters in your forum, there are still plenty of people who are enthusiastic trolls and bad faith actors because that’s just how they have fun. Letting those people go unchallenged is a recipe for a community that’s dominated by malignant narcissist.
- superkuh 4y ago
  I agree it's false. But because the two perceptions are not mutually exclusive. Use delayed tit for tat. First take at face value, then learn from repeated encounters. That's the best part about forums versus social media sites: many repeated interactions with the same people. From that you can evolve trust without being a cynic.
ekianjo 4y ago
anigbrowl 4y ago
Coherent communities are surprisingly good at detecting malicious interlopers and simply giving them a hard time is a surprisingly effective tactic. This paper from the Stanford social media lab showcases some nice research on the dynamics of competitive forum raiding on Reddit that are fairly generalizable to other contexts. https://arxiv.org/pdf/1803.03697.pdf https://arxiv.org/pdf/1803.03697.pdf
- usefulcat 4y ago
  “Coherent communities” being the key phrase there
soheil 4y ago
> The only thing less healthy than a forum full of psyops and shills is a forum full of genuine people accusing each other of being shills. Simply wishing the forum to be full of genuine people doesn't make it so. Proceeding as if it is creates a forum full of people with their heads buried in the sand, which probably is the true only thing less healthy than a forum full of psyops and shills. Clearly there are insidious forces at play in many online forums nowadays. The more we try to unearth it, the less we ignore it and the more we talk about it the healthier our forums become.

bergenty 4y ago

Shills are genuine people too which is where your argument and overall decorum in a forum breaks down.

aamoscodes 4y ago

The sweet spot is finding a community where everyone is jokingly accusing everyone else of psyop-activity. Make it meaningless

22c 4y ago
bombcar 4y ago
Sounds like what the fed would say!

cirgue 4y ago

This is kind of a false dichotomy. Taking everyone at face value is one of the dumbest thing you can do on the internet. Assuming there are exactly 0 paid posters in your forum, there are still plenty of people who are enthusiastic trolls and bad faith actors because that’s just how they have fun. Letting those people go unchallenged is a recipe for a community that’s dominated by malignant narcissist.

superkuh 4y ago
I agree it's false. But because the two perceptions are not mutually exclusive. Use delayed tit for tat. First take at face value, then learn from repeated encounters. That's the best part about forums versus social media sites: many repeated interactions with the same people. From that you can evolve trust without being a cynic.

ekianjo 4y ago

anigbrowl 4y ago

Coherent communities are surprisingly good at detecting malicious interlopers and simply giving them a hard time is a surprisingly effective tactic. This paper from the Stanford social media lab showcases some nice research on the dynamics of competitive forum raiding on Reddit that are fairly generalizable to other contexts. https://arxiv.org/pdf/1803.03697.pdf https://arxiv.org/pdf/1803.03697.pdf

usefulcat 4y ago
“Coherent communities” being the key phrase there

soheil 4y ago

> The only thing less healthy than a forum full of psyops and shills is a forum full of genuine people accusing each other of being shills. Simply wishing the forum to be full of genuine people doesn't make it so. Proceeding as if it is creates a forum full of people with their heads buried in the sand, which probably is the true only thing less healthy than a forum full of psyops and shills. Clearly there are insidious forces at play in many online forums nowadays. The more we try to unearth it, the less we ignore it and the more we talk about it the healthier our forums become.