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I agree, time to strip them of the assets then with 0 compensation.
by dangerwill 4y ago
I agree, time to strip them of the assets then with 0 compensation.
- baggy_trough 4y agoWhat a terrible thing to advocate.
- dangerwill 4y agoAnd landlording is a terrible thing to do
- californical 4y agoAs someone who is renting right now and doesn’t want to own a home currently, where would I live if not for a landlord? Government housing? What in the heck is wrong with someone renting out something that they own?
- yazzku 4y agoSome find it immoral, especially when the landlord has multiple properties, or when, like in the article, they hold up the apartments vacant until their conditions are satisfied. There are also people who are basically social parasites, living off of rent and the work of those who actually contribute to society.
- prepend 4y agoSome find any profit immoral. That doesn’t make them right.
- yazzku 4y ago
- bilvar 4y agoGrown-ups don’t throw tantrums like you do.
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- Gigachad 4y agoIsn’t holding a unit empty somewhat similar to workers striking until unjust conditions are resolved? If the government is forcing rents to remain under inflation, eventually something will break.
- dangerwill 4y agoYes, government owned and managed housing. Across the more-left leaning parts of Europe this is not controversial at all. It's mostly a US/UK/Canada thing that "government housing" = "scary and full of drugs" because these governments only ever adopted policies for the very bottom of society, and then left these projects to rot over time.
- tomcam 4y agoWhere is this happening in Europe?
- bilvar 4y ago[flagged]
- tempestn 4y agoOK, but that option doesn't exist here currently. So in the actual situation we're living in, are you actually saying that you think it's wrong/evil for a person to choose to invest in a rental property? IE buying a house for the purpose of renting it out? Because I know a lot of people renting and looking to rent who wish more people would do that.
- pxmpxm 4y agoThat's a bit of an inane, edgelord take, no?
- dangerwill 4y agoIt's my honestly held belief that private landlords (both private individuals and even more so corporate) are systemically pushed to provide the least amount of maintenance, repair, and amenities for the most amount of money. Having a market based system for a necessity, especially when the market is allowed to get as incredibly distorted as it has (in the US and Western Europe), is a moral travesty. I have just given up trying to be nice about this, despite HN's capitalist slant
- prepend 4y ago> Having a market based system for a necessity, especially when the market is allowed to get as incredibly distorted as it has (in the US and Western Europe), is a moral travesty Markets for food work pretty well. And for loans. Markets are pretty efficient. That doesn’t mean you don’t regulate them.
- polygamous_bat 4y ago> Markets for food work pretty well. Please look up how much subsidy is given to the American farmers. It's probably more than you think it is. > And for loans. Might have agreed more with you, but then 2008 happened.
- pxmpxm 4y ago> systemically pushed to provide the least amount of maintenance, repair, and amenities for the most amount of money That argument can literally be applied to any product or service, yet here we are. There is a peculiar correlation I have noticed with these views - it tends to be (white) upper middle class suburban upbringing Americans that profess them. Principal agent problem of sorts, I guess.
- tomcam 4y agoHow much property are you renting at a loss to assist others?
- sokoloff 4y agoHow dare some people put up the money long-term to provide housing on a short-term basis to others who need it; what assholes!
- amrocha 4y agoLandlords don't provide shit, the housing is already there they just charge a tenant money to use it
- sokoloff 4y agoThink through the money flows. Developer buys land. Spends all their money on land and building a house. Investor comes along and buys the house to rent it out. Developer now has money to buy another lot and build another house (and other developers notice that they can build houses and get paid to do so). Without the investor money in step 2, developers build a lot fewer houses in steps 1 and 3.
- amrocha 4y agoYou literally admitted it, landlords provide nothing, all they do is finance private spending. Once the property is paid for the landlord gets to keep an appreciating asset and generate cash flow from it by stealing from the tenant's paycheck. Literally leeches on society.
- tempestn 4y agoIf the landlord isn't there to buy the house, it won't get built in the first place. Not everyone can afford to buy a house, so someone needs to provide that capital in order for the housing to exist. No one is stealing anything; the tenant is paying the landlord for the service of lending them the house to live in. The landlord is being compensated for the funds they have tied up in the house, that they can't use to invest in (buy) other things. Like, literally, if there were no landlords, by definition there would be no rental properties. So people who couldn't afford to buy a house outright would have nowhere to live. That can't be what you're advocating?
- technion 4y agoI bought my apartment a decade ago. I needed to move to another area so I rented it out. I regularly see these takes hn and I don't get what's so assholeish about my situation. I know that my tenant is on a temporary visa. Are we arguing that ethically he should have bought my property?
- Ekaros 4y agoCapitalism is general is. Extracting money from others with zero labour put in. We really should socialise everything and ban private ownership.
- bilvar 4y ago[flagged]
- refurb 4y agoThe decades of absolute failure of that model and the need to enforce it through state violence don’t concern you?
- bombcar 4y agoThis time it’ll work! The sad thing is that people don’t bother digging much into it and take simple answers like “greed” instead of figuring out exactly where the monies are going.
- 8note 4y agoits an effective way to remove the high value of housing and landlording, but the government also then has to take over the creation and management of housing
- dixie_land 4y agoMaybe you should move to North Korea where the government does exactly that
- dangerwill 4y agoOr ya know, Austria for example, a country with a better standard of living, overall happiness, and life expectancy than the US
- woodruffw 4y agoThere are many modern, developed, market economy countries where the government enacts controls to ensure access to affordable housing. The US is somewhat of an outlier in that regard.
- 8note 4y agoIt's the backbone of American society too, for land and housing. The colonists certainly didn't pay the natives for their land, and the revolutionaries sure didn't pay Britain to take ownership When land isn't being used effectively, it's moved to another owner with limited to no compensation
- smeagull 4y agoIn the past, civilisation has been held together by the threat of violence on the landed classes. Now that is essentially no longer possible, corruption and inequality have grown unchecked. It is a solution - "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
- tomcam 4y agoI think it’s unfair you have so many assets compared to the average citizen of Cameroon. Care to redress this grave injustice?
- matsemann 4y agoWhat a stupid comparison. Own 10 houses, all vacant, then you can either sell or rent out. Having people hoard these properties does no good for society.
- tomcam 4y agoSo you’re hoarding resources that could help Cameroon citizens and don’t care. Got it.
- matsemann 4y agoYou think that's such a good "gotcha", but it's just pathetic, really. Like you do so much better. It's perfectly fine to complain about a system, without being a perfect citizen yourself. I can complain about oil companies, and still be dependent on a car.
- MichaelZuo 4y agoI think the parent was saying that your claims would simply not be credible. Not that your claims are somehow physically blocked from being uttered.
- tomcam 4y ago> I agree, time to strip them of the assets then with 0 compensation That’s not a complaint. It is a naked authoritarian call to steal from people who legally do things you disapprove of. Do you give permission to people who dislike your policy positions to take away your livelihood?
- Ekaros 4y agoCompanies like Apple and Google make huge profits. That means they are clearly profiteering of the customers. We should strip the stock from their owners and set them to sell at much much lower prices. Even below cost for good of the world.