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I mean, aside from the obvious principle of reasonable accommodation guaranteed by the Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities? Or, perhaps more

I mean, aside from the obvious principle of reasonable accommodation guaranteed by the Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities? Or, perhaps more specifically the guarantee from Article 19, barring segregation from the community at large? Expecting the declarations on human rights to be followed is not unreasonable.

Vt71fcAqt7 4y ago
should all resturants also be vegan? Nut free? We don't want to segregate, right? Nobody "deserves" to go to a resturant.
- TheNorthman 4y ago
  Is being vegan a disability? Regarding nuts, I don't know about the rest of the world but in my country, restaurants are required to disclose allergens in their foods, if asked.
  - tasuki 4y ago
    Disclosing allergens is a different thing though: that's akin to "disclosing" that the restaurant isn't wheelchair accessible. Should all restaurants also be required to serve food for whatever combination of allergies one might have? My mother has several food allergies, there are restaurants where she can't eat any meal. Would you welcome a law mandating each and every restaurant to start serving meals she can eat?
    - Arainach 4y ago
      Again, allergies aren't a protected class.
      - tasuki 4y ago
        I'm not from the US and had to look up what "protected class" meant. It seems to be a well-intentioned yet somewhat arbitrary list. It appears to be regularly amended. Perhaps allergies will be on the list one day too?
comte7092 4y ago
“Principle of "reasonable accommodation" The Convention defines "reasonable accommodation" as "necessary and appropriate modification and adjustments not imposing a disproportionate or undue burden, where needed in a particular case, to ensure to persons with disabilities the enjoyment or exercise on an equal basis with others” [0] Suing every hole in the wall out of business is hardly in line with reasonable accommodation. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_on_the_Rights_of_Persons_with_Disabilities?wprov=sfti1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_on_the_Rights_of_Pe...
- TheNorthman 4y ago
  > Suing every hole in the wall out of business is hardly in line with reasonable accommodation. Suing is the enforcement mechanism chosen by the Israelis and the US, not the reasoning behind the requirement. The reasoning is: The disabled should have equal access to dining and it's not an undue burden to expect ramps outside of businesses. Most of the developed world is like this. You might disagree with that reasoning but clearly a political majority in the US didn't and doesn't.

Vt71fcAqt7 4y ago

should all resturants also be vegan? Nut free? We don't want to segregate, right? Nobody "deserves" to go to a resturant.

TheNorthman 4y ago
Is being vegan a disability? Regarding nuts, I don't know about the rest of the world but in my country, restaurants are required to disclose allergens in their foods, if asked.
- tasuki 4y ago
  Disclosing allergens is a different thing though: that's akin to "disclosing" that the restaurant isn't wheelchair accessible. Should all restaurants also be required to serve food for whatever combination of allergies one might have? My mother has several food allergies, there are restaurants where she can't eat any meal. Would you welcome a law mandating each and every restaurant to start serving meals she can eat?
  - Arainach 4y ago
    Again, allergies aren't a protected class.
    - tasuki 4y ago
      I'm not from the US and had to look up what "protected class" meant. It seems to be a well-intentioned yet somewhat arbitrary list. It appears to be regularly amended. Perhaps allergies will be on the list one day too?

comte7092 4y ago

“Principle of "reasonable accommodation" The Convention defines "reasonable accommodation" as "necessary and appropriate modification and adjustments not imposing a disproportionate or undue burden, where needed in a particular case, to ensure to persons with disabilities the enjoyment or exercise on an equal basis with others” [0] Suing every hole in the wall out of business is hardly in line with reasonable accommodation. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_on_the_Rights_of_Persons_with_Disabilities?wprov=sfti1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_on_the_Rights_of_Pe...

TheNorthman 4y ago
> Suing every hole in the wall out of business is hardly in line with reasonable accommodation. Suing is the enforcement mechanism chosen by the Israelis and the US, not the reasoning behind the requirement. The reasoning is: The disabled should have equal access to dining and it's not an undue burden to expect ramps outside of businesses. Most of the developed world is like this. You might disagree with that reasoning but clearly a political majority in the US didn't and doesn't.