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How about I should be able to do whatever I want with my content without some slimy lawyer or smarmy internet commenter giving me a hard time?

weatherlight 4y ago
If they knew what the law existed prior to making the business.... Then it sounds like the business owner is at fault here. (Ignorance of the law is not an excuse, either way!) They either comply with the ordinance or fight it in court if they think it goes against the letter of the law. If they don't like the law, petition their representatives to change the law. It's just grifting at this point.
- Test0129 4y ago
  Or perhaps the business couldn't afford transcription/translation. The GP seems to suggest it's "trivial" to add subtitles. Great! What happens when those subtitles are terrible quality? The goal post will get moved further and further by those in charge until you need professional grade transcription. If you're a small enough business you probably don't have the XX,XXX in legal capital to fight a firm that can throw XXX,XXX in to prove their point. The problem isn't how easy it is, nor how we should do this. It's that someone has a gun to every small business' head telling them to spend money/time/resources on something they may not have the ability to do immediately. No one should be able to tell me how to run my company, or my life. It's up to me to decide to be compliant to accessibility and if I don't it may cost me customers. It's not like handicap ramps that save people's lives in fires. This is a transcription. Ostensibly not NEARLY as important as other ADA regulations. But because of it's ambiguity and relative ease to determine who and who isn't following using data miners it's a cash cow for legal vultures.
  - weatherlight 4y ago
    * The law has existed since 1998 - https://www.boia.org/blog/israels-digital-accessibility-laws-an-overview#:~:text=In%201998%2C%20Israel%20passed%20the,services%2C%20products%2C%20and%20employment https://www.boia.org/blog/israels-digital-accessibility-laws.... * Israeli companies were given 22 years to comply. * Small businesses were required to comply as of 2020. It's a ridiculous argument.
    - tluyben2 4y ago
      It doesn’t sound like OP is a business though. Small or otherwise.
      - weatherlight 4y ago
        Just click on the link, OP isn't being honest. He has a services tab, in which he sells his services via the site that his videos are on and the entire right side of the site is ads! His about section: My name is Haim Michael, I am an eternal student and a lecturer. I chose to start running this web site to serve as my professional personal blog. Through this blog, I plan to provide more information about the services my company provides, publish my professional articles over the web and maintain my professional relationships both with my students and clients. As per the regulations: "Here are a few important points regarding IS 5568 compliance: The law applies to public entities and every private organization that offers services to the general public. Private contractors with an average revenue of 100,000 New Shekels (NS) (Approximately $30,000 USD) or less are exempt from IS 5568. IS 5568 immediately applied to medium and large businesses with an average annual revenue of 300,000 NS or more. Small businesses must also comply with the law as of October 2020."
        tluyben2 4y ago
        Ah I did not see that; so if he made less than 100k NS he could ignore the threats? So he is admitting by this he makes more and/or is registered as a small business? But thank you, this is insightful.
mkr-hn 4y ago
You might feel different when you're disabled.
- knaekhoved 4y ago
- ripdog 4y ago
  Is it really better to create a world where said content cannot exist due to disabled people?
- tluyben2 4y ago
  I am sure I would, however, removing content completely just because you cannot afford to backtrack over 1000s of hours of content to add this requirement is not good and many people with disabilities would agree with that. Why not simply say it only applies to businesses and only for content that was released online after the law came into existence. And then a grace period of 60 days or something. What is wrong with that?
- Biganon 4y ago
  So every single magazine out there needs to exist in braille so blind people can read them? If I publish stuff on the Internet, I'm the one choosing "how public" it is. It's nobody else's business.
RetpolineDrama 4y ago
I mean I agree, but we're long past that. Freedom of association doesn't exist anymore, and the downstream effects of that are deeply rooted in what most people think is "normal".
tluyben2 4y ago
You still can, but you need hosting in another jurisdiction, owned by a company in yet another jurisdiction on a domain name somewhere else. Seems we are going there as though I believe, like many here, in accessibility, however for free (old) content, this makes little sense and is simply a bad thing. What if archive.org had to comply to this for all their videos, audio and sites (no matter the language); they can delete mostly everything at that point. Not to mention: how about games? In game video, game content; many games from the 80s and 90s etc (or current ones but there I do think accessibility should be addressed where possible) can be played by people with certain kind of disabilities if ‘fixed’, but they won’t be or cannot be; they should be removed from the web?

weatherlight 4y ago

If they knew what the law existed prior to making the business.... Then it sounds like the business owner is at fault here. (Ignorance of the law is not an excuse, either way!) They either comply with the ordinance or fight it in court if they think it goes against the letter of the law. If they don't like the law, petition their representatives to change the law. It's just grifting at this point.

Test0129 4y ago
Or perhaps the business couldn't afford transcription/translation. The GP seems to suggest it's "trivial" to add subtitles. Great! What happens when those subtitles are terrible quality? The goal post will get moved further and further by those in charge until you need professional grade transcription. If you're a small enough business you probably don't have the XX,XXX in legal capital to fight a firm that can throw XXX,XXX in to prove their point. The problem isn't how easy it is, nor how we should do this. It's that someone has a gun to every small business' head telling them to spend money/time/resources on something they may not have the ability to do immediately. No one should be able to tell me how to run my company, or my life. It's up to me to decide to be compliant to accessibility and if I don't it may cost me customers. It's not like handicap ramps that save people's lives in fires. This is a transcription. Ostensibly not NEARLY as important as other ADA regulations. But because of it's ambiguity and relative ease to determine who and who isn't following using data miners it's a cash cow for legal vultures.
- weatherlight 4y ago
  * The law has existed since 1998 - https://www.boia.org/blog/israels-digital-accessibility-laws-an-overview#:~:text=In%201998%2C%20Israel%20passed%20the,services%2C%20products%2C%20and%20employment https://www.boia.org/blog/israels-digital-accessibility-laws.... * Israeli companies were given 22 years to comply. * Small businesses were required to comply as of 2020. It's a ridiculous argument.
  - tluyben2 4y ago
    It doesn’t sound like OP is a business though. Small or otherwise.
    - weatherlight 4y ago
      Just click on the link, OP isn't being honest. He has a services tab, in which he sells his services via the site that his videos are on and the entire right side of the site is ads! His about section: My name is Haim Michael, I am an eternal student and a lecturer. I chose to start running this web site to serve as my professional personal blog. Through this blog, I plan to provide more information about the services my company provides, publish my professional articles over the web and maintain my professional relationships both with my students and clients. As per the regulations: "Here are a few important points regarding IS 5568 compliance: The law applies to public entities and every private organization that offers services to the general public. Private contractors with an average revenue of 100,000 New Shekels (NS) (Approximately $30,000 USD) or less are exempt from IS 5568. IS 5568 immediately applied to medium and large businesses with an average annual revenue of 300,000 NS or more. Small businesses must also comply with the law as of October 2020."
      - tluyben2 4y ago
        Ah I did not see that; so if he made less than 100k NS he could ignore the threats? So he is admitting by this he makes more and/or is registered as a small business? But thank you, this is insightful.

mkr-hn 4y ago

You might feel different when you're disabled.

knaekhoved 4y ago
ripdog 4y ago
Is it really better to create a world where said content cannot exist due to disabled people?
tluyben2 4y ago
I am sure I would, however, removing content completely just because you cannot afford to backtrack over 1000s of hours of content to add this requirement is not good and many people with disabilities would agree with that. Why not simply say it only applies to businesses and only for content that was released online after the law came into existence. And then a grace period of 60 days or something. What is wrong with that?
Biganon 4y ago
So every single magazine out there needs to exist in braille so blind people can read them? If I publish stuff on the Internet, I'm the one choosing "how public" it is. It's nobody else's business.

RetpolineDrama 4y ago

I mean I agree, but we're long past that. Freedom of association doesn't exist anymore, and the downstream effects of that are deeply rooted in what most people think is "normal".

tluyben2 4y ago

You still can, but you need hosting in another jurisdiction, owned by a company in yet another jurisdiction on a domain name somewhere else. Seems we are going there as though I believe, like many here, in accessibility, however for free (old) content, this makes little sense and is simply a bad thing. What if archive.org had to comply to this for all their videos, audio and sites (no matter the language); they can delete mostly everything at that point. Not to mention: how about games? In game video, game content; many games from the 80s and 90s etc (or current ones but there I do think accessibility should be addressed where possible) can be played by people with certain kind of disabilities if ‘fixed’, but they won’t be or cannot be; they should be removed from the web?