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This however ignores that government run healthcare runs very fine across Europe and canada. yes there are horror stories but just looking at longevity and heal

This however ignores that government run healthcare runs very fine across Europe and canada. yes there are horror stories but just looking at longevity and healthcare statistics USA vs any western democraxy shows how atrocious the corporate model is.

abigail95 4y ago
Isn't Canada in an international news story for euthanising people to save money? The parent comment is about the accountability of public systems, not strictly about outcomes. Also I would caution about using population level statistics to inform an individual choice about healthcare. India is a pretty poor country, but has a really good private medical system. If I travel to India for treatment I'm not exposing myself to the healthcare outcomes of the Indian population - despite the fact that I'm using their medical system. The same thing applies to public vs private care for an individual within a country. You can tell me removing all private hospitals and healthcare will increase life expectancy for my population. But if I'm one of those people using the private system, I'm probably going to be worse off. So now we have a story about lack of accountability causing the unfortunate needless death of infants, with a clear solution and clear cause and effect. You can fix it by increasing accountability by telling the public hospital to "be more accountable" or you can require private hospital practicioners carry malpractice insurance. Even a poorly run malpractice insurance market can produce positive results (read studies from 1975-onwards). It's not so easy to make a public hospital accountable. You can't fire anyone, you can't sue them, and you can't reduce their budget if they don't perform.
- slavik81 4y ago
  > Isn't Canada in an international news story for euthanising people to save money? No. The medically assisted dying legislation was expected to have a negligible impact on healthcare costs. Its introduction was driven by the Supreme Court ruling that all Canadians have a right to a full life, and denying assistance forces people with degenerative conditions to end their life earlier than they would wish (while they are still capable of doing it themselves), to avoid being trapped in an intolerable state of agony in their final days. The budget analysis done by the Parliamentary Budget Office was just the standard procedure for any legislation. It described insignificant cost savings (~0.03%).
- kwhitefoot 4y ago
  > You can't fire anyone, you can't sue them Yes you can. And there are no win, no fee lawyers who hope to make a profit at it. https://www.nhsnegligence.co.uk/sue-hospital-for-negligence/ https://www.nhsnegligence.co.uk/sue-hospital-for-negligence/

abigail95 4y ago

Isn't Canada in an international news story for euthanising people to save money? The parent comment is about the accountability of public systems, not strictly about outcomes. Also I would caution about using population level statistics to inform an individual choice about healthcare. India is a pretty poor country, but has a really good private medical system. If I travel to India for treatment I'm not exposing myself to the healthcare outcomes of the Indian population - despite the fact that I'm using their medical system. The same thing applies to public vs private care for an individual within a country. You can tell me removing all private hospitals and healthcare will increase life expectancy for my population. But if I'm one of those people using the private system, I'm probably going to be worse off. So now we have a story about lack of accountability causing the unfortunate needless death of infants, with a clear solution and clear cause and effect. You can fix it by increasing accountability by telling the public hospital to "be more accountable" or you can require private hospital practicioners carry malpractice insurance. Even a poorly run malpractice insurance market can produce positive results (read studies from 1975-onwards). It's not so easy to make a public hospital accountable. You can't fire anyone, you can't sue them, and you can't reduce their budget if they don't perform.

slavik81 4y ago
> Isn't Canada in an international news story for euthanising people to save money? No. The medically assisted dying legislation was expected to have a negligible impact on healthcare costs. Its introduction was driven by the Supreme Court ruling that all Canadians have a right to a full life, and denying assistance forces people with degenerative conditions to end their life earlier than they would wish (while they are still capable of doing it themselves), to avoid being trapped in an intolerable state of agony in their final days. The budget analysis done by the Parliamentary Budget Office was just the standard procedure for any legislation. It described insignificant cost savings (~0.03%).
kwhitefoot 4y ago
> You can't fire anyone, you can't sue them Yes you can. And there are no win, no fee lawyers who hope to make a profit at it. https://www.nhsnegligence.co.uk/sue-hospital-for-negligence/ https://www.nhsnegligence.co.uk/sue-hospital-for-negligence/